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  • mike@cyberczar.orgM mike@cyberczar.org

    @davidaugust@mastodon.online
    I don't think Americans pity anybody else's tax rate. You don't think most Americans don't know our for-profit healthcare system sucks? Do you think Americans honestly want to launch GoFundMes? SCOTUS has made it all but impossible for actual Americans to do fuck-all about anything. Citizens United basically allowed every politician to be openly bought and paid for.

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    @mike @davidaugust you can always put those armalites to use? I mean a hell of a lot of you did it before so you can keep profiteering from slavery so surely a insurrection to keep some semblance of freedom is a whorty cause?

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    • thecomfortablespotpodcast@mastodon.socialT thecomfortablespotpodcast@mastodon.social

      @mike @davidaugust you can always put those armalites to use? I mean a hell of a lot of you did it before so you can keep profiteering from slavery so surely a insurrection to keep some semblance of freedom is a whorty cause?

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      @davidaugust@mastodon.online @TheComfortableSpotPodcast@mastodon.social
      Have you seen our American Military? They no longer have muskets and bayonets any more. They have tanks and MRAPs and an unlimited supply of weapons and ammunition.

      Do you honestly think any American, let alone even a "well armed milita" (words in the 2nd Amendment) can honestly stand up to the US Military? ISIS tried. Al Qaeda tried. The Taliban tried. And they were a helluva lot better armed (not to mention their home-turf advantage) and they couldn't.

      So what makes you think any American citizen can?

      This is no longer the 18th Century.

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      • joshbuddy@sfba.socialJ joshbuddy@sfba.social

        @davidaugust I liked Tim Wu's point the other day that private corporation in America are basically creating a "private tax", where they are being extractive and taking the profits while provide no value to consumers. His example of this was Amazon's pay-for-boosting merchants pay into, and that gets translated into higher consumer prices.

        I wonder if you could analyze this "private tax", maybe the tax rate wouldn't be that different?

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        @davidaugust This was the episode if anyone was curious https://art19.com/shows/factually--with-adam-conover/episodes/15cde6ef-07e2-4833-b21d-ddf74c7d81a8

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        • davidaugust@mastodon.onlineD davidaugust@mastodon.online

          #USpol #Norway #taxes #tax

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          @davidaugust plot twist. Gofundme destabilizes governments to drive up adoption

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          • dacig@mastodon.socialD dacig@mastodon.social

            @davidaugust When you are paying for private healthcare, you are also paying the providers margin.
            That makes it much more expensive that tax funded healthcare systems that don't take profits. About twice as much in the US than in the EU, with poorer outcomes.

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            @dacig @davidaugust provider margin, ads, political contributions...

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            • davidaugust@mastodon.onlineD davidaugust@mastodon.online

              #USpol #Norway #taxes #tax

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              @davidaugust In all fairness, #America has 64 times the amount of annual gun deaths, per capita, than #Norway so take that you Norsepeople. #US firearm death rate is 4.31 per 100,000 people per year, Norway had two (2), total, in 2023. America doesn’t take care of the population so much we just thin the herd, so tech billionaires can buy up broadcast and social media.

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              • thecomfortablespotpodcast@mastodon.socialT thecomfortablespotpodcast@mastodon.social

                @nuwagaba2 @nazokiyoubinbou set up schools to teach social democracy to Americans.

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                @TheComfortableSpotPodcast
                Who will establish those schools and implement that kind of education?

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                • davidaugust@mastodon.onlineD davidaugust@mastodon.online

                  #USpol #Norway #taxes #tax

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                  @davidaugust Some people like living in a mandatory GoFundMe state. Some don't. Go figure.
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                  • davidaugust@mastodon.onlineD davidaugust@mastodon.online

                    #USpol #Norway #taxes #tax

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                    @davidaugust
                    This☝️

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                    • faliate@mastodon.socialF faliate@mastodon.social

                      @davidaugust
                      I don't think people understand the idea of free Healthcare. Yes, paying for it in taxes, means it's not free. However, paying for it in taxes means, I don't have to go six years without glasses because I can't afford the exam. It means if my glasses break today, I can go to get an exam, get my prescription and go to get my glasses without taking from my food, rent, and clothing.
                      Not sure about glasses outside of the US, is that a separate charge?

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                      @faliate @davidaugust In Germany, though examination by an ophthalmologist is free, glasses are usually not covered, except if you're practically blind without them.

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                      • ysegrim@furry.engineerY ysegrim@furry.engineer

                        @faliate @davidaugust In Germany, though examination by an ophthalmologist is free, glasses are usually not covered, except if you're practically blind without them.

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                        @ysegrim @davidaugust
                        This is why I wish my grandparents never left Germany. Also, one of the reasons why I want to migrate back to Germany. Besides the culture and food, there are many great things about Germany.

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                        • libertyforward1@beige.partyL libertyforward1@beige.party

                          @faliate
                          I average about 8 or 9 years per set of eyeglasses.

                          @davidaugust

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                          @LibertyForward1 @faliate @davidaugust that may not last forever. At a certain age you might benefit from new glasses every 2-4 years

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                          • nuwagaba2@mastodon.socialN nuwagaba2@mastodon.social

                            @nazokiyoubinbou
                            That's okay. I just wanted to see whether we have the same idea. Education can be a better way out. If we cab educate the people and the children the importance of togetherness, we can address such a challenge. Because they want us divided, that's why the children even at school are not allowed to help each other during tests and exams. Can i share with you about my project?

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                            @nuwagaba2 @nazokiyoubinbou I just wanna chime in that I agree education is (a large part of) our way out of this. If it wasn't an important tool for liberation, oligarchs wouldn't have done so much to prevent and destroy it. I'm not sure exactly what needs to be done, but I know we all need to heal, learn, and prioritize community (local or global or both) over isolation and competition

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                            • mike@cyberczar.orgM mike@cyberczar.org

                              @davidaugust@mastodon.online @TheComfortableSpotPodcast@mastodon.social
                              Have you seen our American Military? They no longer have muskets and bayonets any more. They have tanks and MRAPs and an unlimited supply of weapons and ammunition.

                              Do you honestly think any American, let alone even a "well armed milita" (words in the 2nd Amendment) can honestly stand up to the US Military? ISIS tried. Al Qaeda tried. The Taliban tried. And they were a helluva lot better armed (not to mention their home-turf advantage) and they couldn't.

                              So what makes you think any American citizen can?

                              This is no longer the 18th Century.

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                              @mike @davidaugust to be honest, my original comment was in jest, but history does show that nations built on fragile democratic systems and deep internal divisions can unravel quickly — and when that happens, institutions, including the military, don’t always remain unified. 1)

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                              • thecomfortablespotpodcast@mastodon.socialT thecomfortablespotpodcast@mastodon.social

                                @mike @davidaugust to be honest, my original comment was in jest, but history does show that nations built on fragile democratic systems and deep internal divisions can unravel quickly — and when that happens, institutions, including the military, don’t always remain unified. 1)

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                                @mike @davidaugust Comparing this to ISIS, Al-Qaeda, or the Taliban misses the point. Those weren’t conventional wars, and in the case of the Taliban, the outcome after 20 years is an even stronger Taliban in Afghanistan. The real risk in a constitutional crisis isn’t a militia “beating” the U.S. military in open combat — it’s political fracture and divided loyalties within institutions themselves. History suggests that kind of breakdown is far more plausible than a Hollywood-style showdown. 🔚

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                                • davidaugust@mastodon.onlineD davidaugust@mastodon.online

                                  @nazokiyoubinbou yeah. Same expense but no benefits.

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                                  @davidaugust

                                  For somebody else's benefit
                                  @nazokiyoubinbou

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                                  • derpumu@mstdn.gamesD derpumu@mstdn.games

                                    @LibertyForward1 @faliate @davidaugust that may not last forever. At a certain age you might benefit from new glasses every 2-4 years

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                                    @DerPumu @faliate @davidaugust I would love to replace them that often, but I'm generally only able to scrape enough money together every decade or so

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                                    • raphaelmorgan@disabled.socialR raphaelmorgan@disabled.social

                                      @nuwagaba2 @nazokiyoubinbou I just wanna chime in that I agree education is (a large part of) our way out of this. If it wasn't an important tool for liberation, oligarchs wouldn't have done so much to prevent and destroy it. I'm not sure exactly what needs to be done, but I know we all need to heal, learn, and prioritize community (local or global or both) over isolation and competition

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                                      @raphaelmorgan
                                      That's right. The best way of preventing a prisoner from escaping is by not letting him know that he's a slave. Are the people aware that their freedom is slowly being taken away?

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                                      • nuwagaba2@mastodon.socialN nuwagaba2@mastodon.social

                                        @HarryMutt
                                        Democracy is slowly vanishing which makes people not to enjoy the rights they once fought and are now paying for. What can bring power back in the hands of the people?

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                                        @nuwagaba2

                                        I disagree with the vanishing. Democracies worldwide are under attack from antidemocrats. The US oligarchs. The Russofascists. The Chinese capitalist communists. To name only the biggest fish here.

                                        They all see democracies as an obstacle in their power games. They are funding and supporting especially right wing parties with propaganda and fake news aiming at dividing the EU, to weaken it and to destroy it, the largest entity of western democracy in this world. BUT, democracy is not receding. It's bending like a tree in a storm. The more it is under pressure, the more do people realize how important it is. Strong civil societies can withstand such attacks. But it's not an easy task, no question.

                                        But ironically, here in the EU, and seemingly in Canada and other places, the orange attacks kind of make it easier. Dump is the best helper to revive the silent majority, so to speak. By being so immorally disgusting, by being a vulgar, corrupt idiot, big-mouthed, and empty of moral values, and completely free of empathy, he shows everybody what we HAVE and don't want to lose.

                                        When it comes to the global south, I don't know enough to have an educated opinion. Probably, it all has to start with grassroot campaigning and convincing people that these strongmen I listed are not the solution but the problem.

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                                          @nuwagaba2

                                          I disagree with the vanishing. Democracies worldwide are under attack from antidemocrats. The US oligarchs. The Russofascists. The Chinese capitalist communists. To name only the biggest fish here.

                                          They all see democracies as an obstacle in their power games. They are funding and supporting especially right wing parties with propaganda and fake news aiming at dividing the EU, to weaken it and to destroy it, the largest entity of western democracy in this world. BUT, democracy is not receding. It's bending like a tree in a storm. The more it is under pressure, the more do people realize how important it is. Strong civil societies can withstand such attacks. But it's not an easy task, no question.

                                          But ironically, here in the EU, and seemingly in Canada and other places, the orange attacks kind of make it easier. Dump is the best helper to revive the silent majority, so to speak. By being so immorally disgusting, by being a vulgar, corrupt idiot, big-mouthed, and empty of moral values, and completely free of empathy, he shows everybody what we HAVE and don't want to lose.

                                          When it comes to the global south, I don't know enough to have an educated opinion. Probably, it all has to start with grassroot campaigning and convincing people that these strongmen I listed are not the solution but the problem.

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                                          @HarryMutt
                                          It would be easy for people to join together and fight for themselves if they knew that they're being deceived , blinded and brainwashed to an extent of being unable to know that they're being enslaved indirectly within the system. Won't people find out when it's too late to make a change?

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