I don’t care what political side you’re on, anyone who is weird about any immigrants including H-1B workers is not a good ally.
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I’ve seen so many BS excuses about H-1B fraud from leftists that’s just thinly veiled racism and xenophobia and nationalistic economic protectionism
Those people make frothing at the mouth republicans seem more friendly. At least they’re not pretending to be your friend
@skinnylatte
My issue with the H1-B is that it allows companies to have more control over the immigrant such that they are afraid to quit or ask for better benefits or working conditions over fear of replacement. It's bad for immigrants and bad for existing citizens. I would much rather see a system that allows for worker visas not to be tied to sponsorship. Generally, I'm pro mass immigration. Without it, I wouldn't have been born. -
@skinnylatte
My issue with the H1-B is that it allows companies to have more control over the immigrant such that they are afraid to quit or ask for better benefits or working conditions over fear of replacement. It's bad for immigrants and bad for existing citizens. I would much rather see a system that allows for worker visas not to be tied to sponsorship. Generally, I'm pro mass immigration. Without it, I wouldn't have been born.@noah it’s not good. No country’s international visa / work program is anything but exploitation and similar restrictions.
I’d like to see visa reform; not ‘tear it all down’. Doing the latter hurts millions of people. And does nothing for Americans. (The jobs are magically going to go to them. The oligarchs just gonna offshore).
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Frankly I’m tired of many leftists and liberals pretending their anti-H1B rants are praxis instead of just anti-immigrant / Indian sentiment
@skinnylatte the thing to do if you think your job is endangered is to travel to India and make friends with people there. Talk about a land of opportunity where hard work is rewarded! (And with great food!) make friends and help your friends negotiate for higher pay. Level the income differentials across the world, without war. Meet brilliant people from all over. 1/2
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@skinnylatte the thing to do if you think your job is endangered is to travel to India and make friends with people there. Talk about a land of opportunity where hard work is rewarded! (And with great food!) make friends and help your friends negotiate for higher pay. Level the income differentials across the world, without war. Meet brilliant people from all over. 1/2
@skinnylatte Movements for the dignity of work and the power of hard work over money can be international. Stick to one country and the money will arbitrage you to fight your power as hard workers. 2/2
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@andrew773 She was on an H-1B1 visa for a few years, supporting her wife because the H-4 you get with an H-1B1 (which is the special Singapore H-1B) doesn't allow employment. And because Singapore doesn't recognize same sex marriages. So for you it's about employers, for her it's about getting to live in the same country as her wife.
@crzwdjk I understand her situation and I'm glad it worked out for her. I have no problem with foreign workers. My point is it is not anti immigrant to be unhappy with employers in the United States because they have been very aggressive in disenfranchising their employees and US residents in general. I think her post triggers me because everyone loves punching down on the left. Sabotaging the left really hasn't worked well for us here in the US.
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@crzwdjk I understand her situation and I'm glad it worked out for her. I have no problem with foreign workers. My point is it is not anti immigrant to be unhappy with employers in the United States because they have been very aggressive in disenfranchising their employees and US residents in general. I think her post triggers me because everyone loves punching down on the left. Sabotaging the left really hasn't worked well for us here in the US.
@andrew773 @crzwdjk but I’m calling out a specific leftist problem. Leftists aren’t good on immigration either. It’s not news.
The immigration fixes proposed by leftists still harm immigrants.
I’m not punching down, I’m calling out a specific gap I am seeing in American leftism: that economic protectionism (protect Americans) is a common theme that harms immigrants as well. Unions are great but they’ve also been awful to people of color.
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I sometimes think you don’t get to have strong opinions on US immigration unless you know the difference between an I-129 and I-140
More importantly I feel like most criticism of the H-1B program just.. doesn’t really understand how skilled visas work.
Treating skilled legal immigrants like shit and giving them no rights is kind of the hallmark of almost all major immigration policies, not just the American one.
Proposing that we get rid of it because you think it is exploitative is as bad as the ‘I am all for open borders but I have no real suggestion for how western governments can right now stop treating brown people like shit’ problem.
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More importantly I feel like most criticism of the H-1B program just.. doesn’t really understand how skilled visas work.
Treating skilled legal immigrants like shit and giving them no rights is kind of the hallmark of almost all major immigration policies, not just the American one.
Proposing that we get rid of it because you think it is exploitative is as bad as the ‘I am all for open borders but I have no real suggestion for how western governments can right now stop treating brown people like shit’ problem.
You can criticize the H-1B program, but I also feel like there’s a slippery slope between that and economic protectionism.
I’ve very rarely seen actual legitimate criticism of it that also didn’t default or devolve to ‘actually Indians are bad at their jobs ha ha’
I don’t trust anyone who leads with ‘H-1B bad’. It doesn’t matter what ‘side’ you’re approaching it from. You might as well put on a red hat.
Also if your critique is ‘it can be better and I don’t want skilled immigrants to suffer’ maybe save your white saviorism for another pet topic
Or go work on actual immigration reform
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You can criticize the H-1B program, but I also feel like there’s a slippery slope between that and economic protectionism.
I’ve very rarely seen actual legitimate criticism of it that also didn’t default or devolve to ‘actually Indians are bad at their jobs ha ha’
I don’t trust anyone who leads with ‘H-1B bad’. It doesn’t matter what ‘side’ you’re approaching it from. You might as well put on a red hat.
Also if your critique is ‘it can be better and I don’t want skilled immigrants to suffer’ maybe save your white saviorism for another pet topic
Or go work on actual immigration reform
@skinnylatte I don't know why we wouldn't want to make it as easy as possible for all the smart and talented people to come here because all of that makes our companies better which makes our economy better, etc. etc. If they are other places, they are making *those* places better.
If they are out competing native workers, we have to fix *their* skills to compete, like in education funds etc.
(I know racism is the actual answer)
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You can criticize the H-1B program, but I also feel like there’s a slippery slope between that and economic protectionism.
I’ve very rarely seen actual legitimate criticism of it that also didn’t default or devolve to ‘actually Indians are bad at their jobs ha ha’
I don’t trust anyone who leads with ‘H-1B bad’. It doesn’t matter what ‘side’ you’re approaching it from. You might as well put on a red hat.
Also if your critique is ‘it can be better and I don’t want skilled immigrants to suffer’ maybe save your white saviorism for another pet topic
Or go work on actual immigration reform
The no 1 thing to fix in US immigration is the country caps.
Because of racism, people born in India and China etc face years of long waits (ranging from a couple of years to hundreds of years)
All of the applicants born in big countries have to compete for the same no of green cards as people from small countries
This is the specific mechanism that companies use to trap H-1B workers in subservience, not the H-1B program itself. There is little to no easy path to permanent residency because of the country caps.
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The no 1 thing to fix in US immigration is the country caps.
Because of racism, people born in India and China etc face years of long waits (ranging from a couple of years to hundreds of years)
All of the applicants born in big countries have to compete for the same no of green cards as people from small countries
This is the specific mechanism that companies use to trap H-1B workers in subservience, not the H-1B program itself. There is little to no easy path to permanent residency because of the country caps.
@skinnylatte the US immigration system has always seemed like an uneasy compromise between the rabid racists and the genteel racists.
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