I don’t care what political side you’re on, anyone who is weird about any immigrants including H-1B workers is not a good ally.
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Frankly I’m tired of many leftists and liberals pretending their anti-H1B rants are praxis instead of just anti-immigrant / Indian sentiment
@skinnylatte Say what you will about liberals but that doesn't sound like a left position. The left is concerned with employers abusing the H1B program to drive wages down and create precarity for their employees in general. Our system has created a terrible situation for workers on behalf of oligarchs through years of corruption where many people are very close to desperation. Sorry if this is offensive but if you didn't know I hope you can consider this perspective.
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I sometimes think you don’t get to have strong opinions on US immigration unless you know the difference between an I-129 and I-140
@skinnylatte This should honestly be the case in every country that has these policies. If a UK denizen starts spouting to the news about immigration, the first question should be "are you familiar with the difference between leave to remain and citizenship?"
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@skinnylatte Say what you will about liberals but that doesn't sound like a left position. The left is concerned with employers abusing the H1B program to drive wages down and create precarity for their employees in general. Our system has created a terrible situation for workers on behalf of oligarchs through years of corruption where many people are very close to desperation. Sorry if this is offensive but if you didn't know I hope you can consider this perspective.
@andrew773 She was on an H-1B1 visa for a few years, supporting her wife because the H-4 you get with an H-1B1 (which is the special Singapore H-1B) doesn't allow employment. And because Singapore doesn't recognize same sex marriages. So for you it's about employers, for her it's about getting to live in the same country as her wife.
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I sometimes think you don’t get to have strong opinions on US immigration unless you know the difference between an I-129 and I-140
@skinnylatte My strongest opinion is that processing times are way too long and they need to fix that, it's probably the most urgent thing short of like a global overhaul of the whole basis of the system. It's kind of wild that Canada has to know what an I-797 is and honor it.
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@skinnylatte My strongest opinion is that processing times are way too long and they need to fix that, it's probably the most urgent thing short of like a global overhaul of the whole basis of the system. It's kind of wild that Canada has to know what an I-797 is and honor it.
@skinnylatte Like, 3 years for I-751 is ridiculous enough already but apparently just a simple renewal (I-90) takes 10.5 months now according to USCIS? That's completely non-discretionary and should be completely automatic and just an update of the photo on your card.
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Frankly I’m tired of many leftists and liberals pretending their anti-H1B rants are praxis instead of just anti-immigrant / Indian sentiment
@skinnylatte a whole lot of folks on the left have never deconstructed their white savior complex and it shows.
Hint for those folks: if you feel like people with darker skin than you need "saving", you're racist.
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Frankly I’m tired of many leftists and liberals pretending their anti-H1B rants are praxis instead of just anti-immigrant / Indian sentiment
It doesn’t matter if you hate billionaires. If your fix for hating billionaires will harm immigrants, I don’t think you have good politics. You’re no different from maga
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It doesn’t matter if you hate billionaires. If your fix for hating billionaires will harm immigrants, I don’t think you have good politics. You’re no different from maga
@skinnylatte I don't think those who use that specific employment visa as way to rationalise their hate would even qualify for H-1B.
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I’ve seen so many BS excuses about H-1B fraud from leftists that’s just thinly veiled racism and xenophobia and nationalistic economic protectionism
Those people make frothing at the mouth republicans seem more friendly. At least they’re not pretending to be your friend
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My issue with the H1-B is that it allows companies to have more control over the immigrant such that they are afraid to quit or ask for better benefits or working conditions over fear of replacement. It's bad for immigrants and bad for existing citizens. I would much rather see a system that allows for worker visas not to be tied to sponsorship. Generally, I'm pro mass immigration. Without it, I wouldn't have been born. -
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My issue with the H1-B is that it allows companies to have more control over the immigrant such that they are afraid to quit or ask for better benefits or working conditions over fear of replacement. It's bad for immigrants and bad for existing citizens. I would much rather see a system that allows for worker visas not to be tied to sponsorship. Generally, I'm pro mass immigration. Without it, I wouldn't have been born.@noah it’s not good. No country’s international visa / work program is anything but exploitation and similar restrictions.
I’d like to see visa reform; not ‘tear it all down’. Doing the latter hurts millions of people. And does nothing for Americans. (The jobs are magically going to go to them. The oligarchs just gonna offshore).
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Frankly I’m tired of many leftists and liberals pretending their anti-H1B rants are praxis instead of just anti-immigrant / Indian sentiment
@skinnylatte the thing to do if you think your job is endangered is to travel to India and make friends with people there. Talk about a land of opportunity where hard work is rewarded! (And with great food!) make friends and help your friends negotiate for higher pay. Level the income differentials across the world, without war. Meet brilliant people from all over. 1/2
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@skinnylatte the thing to do if you think your job is endangered is to travel to India and make friends with people there. Talk about a land of opportunity where hard work is rewarded! (And with great food!) make friends and help your friends negotiate for higher pay. Level the income differentials across the world, without war. Meet brilliant people from all over. 1/2
@skinnylatte Movements for the dignity of work and the power of hard work over money can be international. Stick to one country and the money will arbitrage you to fight your power as hard workers. 2/2
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@andrew773 She was on an H-1B1 visa for a few years, supporting her wife because the H-4 you get with an H-1B1 (which is the special Singapore H-1B) doesn't allow employment. And because Singapore doesn't recognize same sex marriages. So for you it's about employers, for her it's about getting to live in the same country as her wife.
@crzwdjk I understand her situation and I'm glad it worked out for her. I have no problem with foreign workers. My point is it is not anti immigrant to be unhappy with employers in the United States because they have been very aggressive in disenfranchising their employees and US residents in general. I think her post triggers me because everyone loves punching down on the left. Sabotaging the left really hasn't worked well for us here in the US.
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@crzwdjk I understand her situation and I'm glad it worked out for her. I have no problem with foreign workers. My point is it is not anti immigrant to be unhappy with employers in the United States because they have been very aggressive in disenfranchising their employees and US residents in general. I think her post triggers me because everyone loves punching down on the left. Sabotaging the left really hasn't worked well for us here in the US.
@andrew773 @crzwdjk but I’m calling out a specific leftist problem. Leftists aren’t good on immigration either. It’s not news.
The immigration fixes proposed by leftists still harm immigrants.
I’m not punching down, I’m calling out a specific gap I am seeing in American leftism: that economic protectionism (protect Americans) is a common theme that harms immigrants as well. Unions are great but they’ve also been awful to people of color.
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I sometimes think you don’t get to have strong opinions on US immigration unless you know the difference between an I-129 and I-140
More importantly I feel like most criticism of the H-1B program just.. doesn’t really understand how skilled visas work.
Treating skilled legal immigrants like shit and giving them no rights is kind of the hallmark of almost all major immigration policies, not just the American one.
Proposing that we get rid of it because you think it is exploitative is as bad as the ‘I am all for open borders but I have no real suggestion for how western governments can right now stop treating brown people like shit’ problem.
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More importantly I feel like most criticism of the H-1B program just.. doesn’t really understand how skilled visas work.
Treating skilled legal immigrants like shit and giving them no rights is kind of the hallmark of almost all major immigration policies, not just the American one.
Proposing that we get rid of it because you think it is exploitative is as bad as the ‘I am all for open borders but I have no real suggestion for how western governments can right now stop treating brown people like shit’ problem.
You can criticize the H-1B program, but I also feel like there’s a slippery slope between that and economic protectionism.
I’ve very rarely seen actual legitimate criticism of it that also didn’t default or devolve to ‘actually Indians are bad at their jobs ha ha’
I don’t trust anyone who leads with ‘H-1B bad’. It doesn’t matter what ‘side’ you’re approaching it from. You might as well put on a red hat.
Also if your critique is ‘it can be better and I don’t want skilled immigrants to suffer’ maybe save your white saviorism for another pet topic
Or go work on actual immigration reform
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You can criticize the H-1B program, but I also feel like there’s a slippery slope between that and economic protectionism.
I’ve very rarely seen actual legitimate criticism of it that also didn’t default or devolve to ‘actually Indians are bad at their jobs ha ha’
I don’t trust anyone who leads with ‘H-1B bad’. It doesn’t matter what ‘side’ you’re approaching it from. You might as well put on a red hat.
Also if your critique is ‘it can be better and I don’t want skilled immigrants to suffer’ maybe save your white saviorism for another pet topic
Or go work on actual immigration reform
@skinnylatte I don't know why we wouldn't want to make it as easy as possible for all the smart and talented people to come here because all of that makes our companies better which makes our economy better, etc. etc. If they are other places, they are making *those* places better.
If they are out competing native workers, we have to fix *their* skills to compete, like in education funds etc.
(I know racism is the actual answer)
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You can criticize the H-1B program, but I also feel like there’s a slippery slope between that and economic protectionism.
I’ve very rarely seen actual legitimate criticism of it that also didn’t default or devolve to ‘actually Indians are bad at their jobs ha ha’
I don’t trust anyone who leads with ‘H-1B bad’. It doesn’t matter what ‘side’ you’re approaching it from. You might as well put on a red hat.
Also if your critique is ‘it can be better and I don’t want skilled immigrants to suffer’ maybe save your white saviorism for another pet topic
Or go work on actual immigration reform
The no 1 thing to fix in US immigration is the country caps.
Because of racism, people born in India and China etc face years of long waits (ranging from a couple of years to hundreds of years)
All of the applicants born in big countries have to compete for the same no of green cards as people from small countries
This is the specific mechanism that companies use to trap H-1B workers in subservience, not the H-1B program itself. There is little to no easy path to permanent residency because of the country caps.
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The no 1 thing to fix in US immigration is the country caps.
Because of racism, people born in India and China etc face years of long waits (ranging from a couple of years to hundreds of years)
All of the applicants born in big countries have to compete for the same no of green cards as people from small countries
This is the specific mechanism that companies use to trap H-1B workers in subservience, not the H-1B program itself. There is little to no easy path to permanent residency because of the country caps.
@skinnylatte the US immigration system has always seemed like an uneasy compromise between the rabid racists and the genteel racists.
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