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Which email provider handles your municipality's official communications?

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  • soverin@mstdn.socialS soverin@mstdn.social

    Which email provider handles your municipality's official communications?

    We built mxmap.nl to make that visible, all Dutch municipalities, mapped by email provider based on public DNS records.
    Inspired by the Swiss original mxmap.ch by David Huser. We adapted it for the Netherlands. All credit for the concept goes to him.

    Under the CLOUD Act, provider location matters. The map makes the current reality clear.

    www.mxmap.nl

    #DigitalSovereignty #GDPR #NIS2 #mxmap

    lyude@furry.engineerL This user is from outside of this forum
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    lyude@furry.engineer
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    @soverin this is concerning, the location of the netherlands is definitely not supposed to be in the middle of the ocean. Is everything OK over there?

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    • soverin@mstdn.socialS soverin@mstdn.social

      Which email provider handles your municipality's official communications?

      We built mxmap.nl to make that visible, all Dutch municipalities, mapped by email provider based on public DNS records.
      Inspired by the Swiss original mxmap.ch by David Huser. We adapted it for the Netherlands. All credit for the concept goes to him.

      Under the CLOUD Act, provider location matters. The map makes the current reality clear.

      www.mxmap.nl

      #DigitalSovereignty #GDPR #NIS2 #mxmap

      phpetra@phpc.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
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      @soverin @bert_hubert

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      • samuel@sueden.socialS samuel@sueden.social

        @soverin please add "https://" in front of the links.
        https://mxmap.ch/
        https://mxmap.nl/

        ednl@mastodon.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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        @samuel @soverin Yes. Amazing; how can you build this and at the same time be so digitally unaware? Always shielded from typing scary protocols by CMSs and, well, MSWord?

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        • soverin@mstdn.socialS soverin@mstdn.social

          Which email provider handles your municipality's official communications?

          We built mxmap.nl to make that visible, all Dutch municipalities, mapped by email provider based on public DNS records.
          Inspired by the Swiss original mxmap.ch by David Huser. We adapted it for the Netherlands. All credit for the concept goes to him.

          Under the CLOUD Act, provider location matters. The map makes the current reality clear.

          www.mxmap.nl

          #DigitalSovereignty #GDPR #NIS2 #mxmap

          nathanael@dalliard.chN This user is from outside of this forum
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          and i thought the swiss map looked bad...
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          • soverin@mstdn.socialS soverin@mstdn.social

            Which email provider handles your municipality's official communications?

            We built mxmap.nl to make that visible, all Dutch municipalities, mapped by email provider based on public DNS records.
            Inspired by the Swiss original mxmap.ch by David Huser. We adapted it for the Netherlands. All credit for the concept goes to him.

            Under the CLOUD Act, provider location matters. The map makes the current reality clear.

            www.mxmap.nl

            #DigitalSovereignty #GDPR #NIS2 #mxmap

            simonwilliamson@mastodon.worldS This user is from outside of this forum
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            simonwilliamson@mastodon.world
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            #11

            @soverin Don't parts of Fryslân and Zeeland use email?

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            • soverin@mstdn.socialS soverin@mstdn.social

              Which email provider handles your municipality's official communications?

              We built mxmap.nl to make that visible, all Dutch municipalities, mapped by email provider based on public DNS records.
              Inspired by the Swiss original mxmap.ch by David Huser. We adapted it for the Netherlands. All credit for the concept goes to him.

              Under the CLOUD Act, provider location matters. The map makes the current reality clear.

              www.mxmap.nl

              #DigitalSovereignty #GDPR #NIS2 #mxmap

              doomythefroomy@toot.berlinD This user is from outside of this forum
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              @soverin the attribution for the Map is missing. I was wondering about the good Performance! Nice

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              • soverin@mstdn.socialS soverin@mstdn.social

                Which email provider handles your municipality's official communications?

                We built mxmap.nl to make that visible, all Dutch municipalities, mapped by email provider based on public DNS records.
                Inspired by the Swiss original mxmap.ch by David Huser. We adapted it for the Netherlands. All credit for the concept goes to him.

                Under the CLOUD Act, provider location matters. The map makes the current reality clear.

                www.mxmap.nl

                #DigitalSovereignty #GDPR #NIS2 #mxmap

                hexmasteen@chaos.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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                @soverin I would love to see in Thunderbird where a Mailserver is hosted. This is important to judge if I can (or want to) share sensitive Information.

                But I can't find an extension that does this. 😞

                #Thunderbird #BigTech #GDPR

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                • lyude@furry.engineerL lyude@furry.engineer

                  @soverin this is concerning, the location of the netherlands is definitely not supposed to be in the middle of the ocean. Is everything OK over there?

                  eliasp@mastodon.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @Lyude due to climate change, the rest of Europe sank. Centuries of fighting the sea taught the Dutch how to survive, with their landmass being 80m below sea level.

                  @soverin

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                  • simonwilliamson@mastodon.worldS simonwilliamson@mastodon.world

                    @soverin Don't parts of Fryslân and Zeeland use email?

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                    @simonwilliamson @soverin Terneuzen, Heerenveen, Tytsjerksteradiel, De Fryske Marren, and Datumadiel all use a Microsoft MX. So do Rozendaal, Etten-Leur, and Albrandswaard, the other greyed-out municipalities.

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                    • lyude@furry.engineerL lyude@furry.engineer

                      @soverin this is concerning, the location of the netherlands is definitely not supposed to be in the middle of the ocean. Is everything OK over there?

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                      @Lyude I would be more concerned if the rest of the world was visible and the Netherlands had sunk… we spend good money on those dykes and I want them to work.

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                      • soverin@mstdn.socialS soverin@mstdn.social

                        Which email provider handles your municipality's official communications?

                        We built mxmap.nl to make that visible, all Dutch municipalities, mapped by email provider based on public DNS records.
                        Inspired by the Swiss original mxmap.ch by David Huser. We adapted it for the Netherlands. All credit for the concept goes to him.

                        Under the CLOUD Act, provider location matters. The map makes the current reality clear.

                        www.mxmap.nl

                        #DigitalSovereignty #GDPR #NIS2 #mxmap

                        larsmb@mastodon.onlineL This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @soverin @jwildeboer I just found https://mx-map.de/ after seeing this, and was ... quite surprised that the situation wasn't nearly as bad as I expected!

                        flberger@nerdculture.deF chake@chaos.socialC huopa@mastodon.onlineH wrdlbrmpft@social.tchncs.deW hbauer@social.caserio.deH 5 Replies Last reply
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                        • soverin@mstdn.socialS soverin@mstdn.social

                          Which email provider handles your municipality's official communications?

                          We built mxmap.nl to make that visible, all Dutch municipalities, mapped by email provider based on public DNS records.
                          Inspired by the Swiss original mxmap.ch by David Huser. We adapted it for the Netherlands. All credit for the concept goes to him.

                          Under the CLOUD Act, provider location matters. The map makes the current reality clear.

                          www.mxmap.nl

                          #DigitalSovereignty #GDPR #NIS2 #mxmap

                          vosje62@mastodon.nlV This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @soverin Ohhh .... Wat een goed idee: verhuizen naar Apeldoorn!

                          Ooit ruim een jaar (achteraf gezien veel te kort) gewoond.

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                          • larsmb@mastodon.onlineL larsmb@mastodon.online

                            @soverin @jwildeboer I just found https://mx-map.de/ after seeing this, and was ... quite surprised that the situation wasn't nearly as bad as I expected!

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                            @larsmb

                            Oh wow, that's actually not too bad. 😯

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                            • larsmb@mastodon.onlineL larsmb@mastodon.online

                              @soverin @jwildeboer I just found https://mx-map.de/ after seeing this, and was ... quite surprised that the situation wasn't nearly as bad as I expected!

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                              @larsmb @soverin @jwildeboer what a great project. Seems like I'll have to ask some questions in our Rathaus.

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                              • larsmb@mastodon.onlineL larsmb@mastodon.online

                                @soverin @jwildeboer I just found https://mx-map.de/ after seeing this, and was ... quite surprised that the situation wasn't nearly as bad as I expected!

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                                @larsmb @soverin @jwildeboer hey, this made my day! Germany has apparently had quite a few it wizards able to setup their own mail systems.

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                                • roodbaard@mastodon.artR roodbaard@mastodon.art

                                  @soverin Interesting to see that Den Haag is independent. Not shocking that Microslop runs the majority.

                                  stiiin@infosec.spaceS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @Roodbaard @soverin The map just shows what's visible on the outside. "Independent" in this case means that Den Haag itself owns the IP addresses of the email server. Apeldoorn's email server has an IP address owned by VodafoneZiggo B2B NL. It says nothing about if and how email is routed after it's accepted.

                                  Besides, it's plausible that those municipalities have a Microsoft 365 subscription, because there are "Microsoft Online Email Routing Addresses" (MOERA) with the names denhaag.onmicrosoft.com and apeldoorn.onmicrosoft.com. It's not rock hard proof (those MOERAs could point to tenants belonging to anything else than those municipalities, and they could even be alias MOERAs, and there are licenses that don't really include Outlook 365, and you don't have to route your email through Microsoft 365, etc.), but it doesn't bode well.

                                  If you look at public records, you can see that Den Haag acknowledges its infrastructure is Microsoft-based (see section 5.4 of https://denhaag.raadsinformatie.nl/document/16421637/1 on page 40), and Apeldoorn reports that they're integrating Copilot into their email software (see the paragraph on "Kunstmatige intelligentie: kansen verantwoord benutten" of https://apeldoorn.parlaeus.nl/vji/public/postin/action=showdoc/gd=2a8880888a8a20a002a20a08e3f23646/Raadsbrief_iVisie.pdf on page 3).

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                                  • vosje62@mastodon.nlV vosje62@mastodon.nl

                                    @soverin Ohhh .... Wat een goed idee: verhuizen naar Apeldoorn!

                                    Ooit ruim een jaar (achteraf gezien veel te kort) gewoond.

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                                    @vosje62 was idd een fijne stad om te wonen, goede herinneringen aan (ik was een puber toen) @soverin

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                                    • soverin@mstdn.socialS soverin@mstdn.social

                                      Which email provider handles your municipality's official communications?

                                      We built mxmap.nl to make that visible, all Dutch municipalities, mapped by email provider based on public DNS records.
                                      Inspired by the Swiss original mxmap.ch by David Huser. We adapted it for the Netherlands. All credit for the concept goes to him.

                                      Under the CLOUD Act, provider location matters. The map makes the current reality clear.

                                      www.mxmap.nl

                                      #DigitalSovereignty #GDPR #NIS2 #mxmap

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                                      The Netherlands and Germany are leading the push for data sovereignty, with the EU setting the pace overall. We actually did something similar with African universities a few years ago.

                                      You must have already imagined which Big Tech providers lead and where such data eventually reside, so no need to revisit the details.
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                                      • larsmb@mastodon.onlineL larsmb@mastodon.online

                                        @soverin @jwildeboer I just found https://mx-map.de/ after seeing this, and was ... quite surprised that the situation wasn't nearly as bad as I expected!

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                                        @larsmb @soverin @jwildeboer Berlin: MS Exchange

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                                        • soverin@mstdn.socialS soverin@mstdn.social

                                          Which email provider handles your municipality's official communications?

                                          We built mxmap.nl to make that visible, all Dutch municipalities, mapped by email provider based on public DNS records.
                                          Inspired by the Swiss original mxmap.ch by David Huser. We adapted it for the Netherlands. All credit for the concept goes to him.

                                          Under the CLOUD Act, provider location matters. The map makes the current reality clear.

                                          www.mxmap.nl

                                          #DigitalSovereignty #GDPR #NIS2 #mxmap

                                          johan@social.codefor.nlJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          @soverin ik zou alleen niet mn eigen huisstijl kleur op Microsoft plakken

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