Which email provider handles your municipality's official communications?
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@soverin Don't parts of Fryslân and Zeeland use email?
@simonwilliamson @soverin Terneuzen, Heerenveen, Tytsjerksteradiel, De Fryske Marren, and Datumadiel all use a Microsoft MX. So do Rozendaal, Etten-Leur, and Albrandswaard, the other greyed-out municipalities.
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@soverin this is concerning, the location of the netherlands is definitely not supposed to be in the middle of the ocean. Is everything OK over there?
@Lyude I would be more concerned if the rest of the world was visible and the Netherlands had sunk… we spend good money on those dykes and I want them to work.
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Which email provider handles your municipality's official communications?
We built mxmap.nl to make that visible, all Dutch municipalities, mapped by email provider based on public DNS records.
Inspired by the Swiss original mxmap.ch by David Huser. We adapted it for the Netherlands. All credit for the concept goes to him.Under the CLOUD Act, provider location matters. The map makes the current reality clear.
www.mxmap.nl
@soverin @jwildeboer I just found https://mx-map.de/ after seeing this, and was ... quite surprised that the situation wasn't nearly as bad as I expected!
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Which email provider handles your municipality's official communications?
We built mxmap.nl to make that visible, all Dutch municipalities, mapped by email provider based on public DNS records.
Inspired by the Swiss original mxmap.ch by David Huser. We adapted it for the Netherlands. All credit for the concept goes to him.Under the CLOUD Act, provider location matters. The map makes the current reality clear.
www.mxmap.nl
@soverin Ohhh .... Wat een goed idee: verhuizen naar Apeldoorn!
Ooit ruim een jaar (achteraf gezien veel te kort) gewoond.
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@soverin @jwildeboer I just found https://mx-map.de/ after seeing this, and was ... quite surprised that the situation wasn't nearly as bad as I expected!
Oh wow, that's actually not too bad.
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@soverin @jwildeboer I just found https://mx-map.de/ after seeing this, and was ... quite surprised that the situation wasn't nearly as bad as I expected!
@larsmb @soverin @jwildeboer what a great project. Seems like I'll have to ask some questions in our Rathaus.
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@soverin @jwildeboer I just found https://mx-map.de/ after seeing this, and was ... quite surprised that the situation wasn't nearly as bad as I expected!
@larsmb @soverin @jwildeboer hey, this made my day! Germany has apparently had quite a few it wizards able to setup their own mail systems.
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@soverin Interesting to see that Den Haag is independent. Not shocking that Microslop runs the majority.
@Roodbaard @soverin The map just shows what's visible on the outside. "Independent" in this case means that Den Haag itself owns the IP addresses of the email server. Apeldoorn's email server has an IP address owned by VodafoneZiggo B2B NL. It says nothing about if and how email is routed after it's accepted.
Besides, it's plausible that those municipalities have a Microsoft 365 subscription, because there are "Microsoft Online Email Routing Addresses" (MOERA) with the names denhaag.onmicrosoft.com and apeldoorn.onmicrosoft.com. It's not rock hard proof (those MOERAs could point to tenants belonging to anything else than those municipalities, and they could even be alias MOERAs, and there are licenses that don't really include Outlook 365, and you don't have to route your email through Microsoft 365, etc.), but it doesn't bode well.
If you look at public records, you can see that Den Haag acknowledges its infrastructure is Microsoft-based (see section 5.4 of https://denhaag.raadsinformatie.nl/document/16421637/1 on page 40), and Apeldoorn reports that they're integrating Copilot into their email software (see the paragraph on "Kunstmatige intelligentie: kansen verantwoord benutten" of https://apeldoorn.parlaeus.nl/vji/public/postin/action=showdoc/gd=2a8880888a8a20a002a20a08e3f23646/Raadsbrief_iVisie.pdf on page 3).
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@soverin Ohhh .... Wat een goed idee: verhuizen naar Apeldoorn!
Ooit ruim een jaar (achteraf gezien veel te kort) gewoond.
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Which email provider handles your municipality's official communications?
We built mxmap.nl to make that visible, all Dutch municipalities, mapped by email provider based on public DNS records.
Inspired by the Swiss original mxmap.ch by David Huser. We adapted it for the Netherlands. All credit for the concept goes to him.Under the CLOUD Act, provider location matters. The map makes the current reality clear.
www.mxmap.nl
The Netherlands and Germany are leading the push for data sovereignty, with the EU setting the pace overall. We actually did something similar with African universities a few years ago.
You must have already imagined which Big Tech providers lead and where such data eventually reside, so no need to revisit the details.
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@soverin @jwildeboer I just found https://mx-map.de/ after seeing this, and was ... quite surprised that the situation wasn't nearly as bad as I expected!
@larsmb @soverin @jwildeboer Berlin: MS Exchange
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Which email provider handles your municipality's official communications?
We built mxmap.nl to make that visible, all Dutch municipalities, mapped by email provider based on public DNS records.
Inspired by the Swiss original mxmap.ch by David Huser. We adapted it for the Netherlands. All credit for the concept goes to him.Under the CLOUD Act, provider location matters. The map makes the current reality clear.
www.mxmap.nl
@soverin ik zou alleen niet mn eigen huisstijl kleur op Microsoft plakken
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@soverin @jwildeboer I just found https://mx-map.de/ after seeing this, and was ... quite surprised that the situation wasn't nearly as bad as I expected!
@larsmb @soverin @jwildeboer hm. incoming email provider does not mean "email" provider. in a lot of case there is office365 behind the server in mx record
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Which email provider handles your municipality's official communications?
We built mxmap.nl to make that visible, all Dutch municipalities, mapped by email provider based on public DNS records.
Inspired by the Swiss original mxmap.ch by David Huser. We adapted it for the Netherlands. All credit for the concept goes to him.Under the CLOUD Act, provider location matters. The map makes the current reality clear.
www.mxmap.nl
@soverin when you want a clickable link you have to add https:// in front. This doesn’t count for your message limit.
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@soverin please add "https://" in front of the links.
https://mxmap.ch/
https://mxmap.nl/@samuel Doesn’t really matter if there is a redirect, right? Also the site doesn’t use cookies so there isn’t even any private information in the request anyways.
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