Europe, the AI Continent.
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@EUCommission Read. The. Room.
A *lot* of the people on Mastodon are creators who have had their intellectual property stolen to feed the generative AI models, with at least one of the billionaires involved openly admitting/bragging that his business model would not be profitable if they had to pay fair royalties for that intellectual property.
A lot of people on Mastodon are deeply concerned about the environmental damage, AI hallucinations, theft of personal/corporate data, and sundry other issues.
There are forms of analytical AI that are useful (e.g. analysis of medical images) and do not involve any of the above. You do not appear to be referring to such analytical models.
@EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu"A lot of the people on Mastodon are creators who have had their intellectual property stolen to feed the generative AI models, with at least one of the billionaires involved openly admitting/bragging that his business model would not be profitable if they had to pay fair royalties for that intellectual property."
For several years I have held back from publishing most of my writings and papers and algorithms due to this AI theft machine. I am holding out hope for the bubble to burst or for court rulings that favor creators who litigate over their IP being stolen by these evil tech lords.
AI hoovering has caused a massive chilling effect on my speech and code because once I put it out there the tech bros can steal it and deny me credit or payment, making it trivial for others to steal my work as well.
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Our lived experiences differ. I run out of compute virtually every day in my work.
You will not find the tech useful if you do not use it.
Do you think there is a correlation there?The Euros are working towards sovereign #Ai future
@n_dimension @cstross @EUCommission it’s only useful if you completely ignore the costs and harm associated with producing the models in the first place and even then the actual usecases are pretty rare and the measured productivity gains even rarer.
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@EUCommission holy shitballs, that is THE absolutest worst thing this account ever posted.
@EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu"... that is THE absolutest worst thing this account ever posted."
The image posted by OP is obvious elite transhumanist woo. It is a prime example of occult religious iconography.
You may not have intended a pun with the word, 'holy' but here we are. Good work.
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@EUCommission here's a suggestion before spending a bazillion on "AI".
Make it (much) easier to start small businesses.
Like, €100 instead of €1000s, and a clearly defined list of paperwork, that can be processed at a single govt agency in under 1 hour, in 1 country.
Then, simplify the byzantine pan-EU tax arrangements so this small business can just pay tax once, instead of needing to spend €4000/year on accountant support, and filing in multiple countries.
And when you've achieved that marvel of bureaucratic enlightenment, by all means circle back and examine the detritus of whatever Yucatan-sized crater the US AI industry has imploded into, to see if anything of actual value can be forged from the slag.
@dch
The EU does not collect tax from citizens or businesses. That is up to the individual member states. Every member state has its own chamber of commerce and trade register. These are not centralised entities in the EU.
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"While I agree with the sentiment I am enjoying every second of it lol"
I'm feeling quite aggravated by how this AI mind poison has spread.
Bureaucrats ever want to feed everything (hence everyone) into their machine.
I also enjoy seeing people give 'em hell.
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I've got an AI bridge to sell. You interested?
@EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu"I've got an AI bridge to sell. You interested?"
SHH! Don't give the tech bros any more ideas.
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@EUCommission Hoping that this bubble will finally burst - this can‘t be serious here. Going all in for something ruining the world these days? Countdown to extinction but hey, at least we‘re in Europe!
"Hoping that this bubble will finally burst"
I remember the dotcom and big data bubbles. This is worse. They are trying to force all computing into the cloud so that your computer will be a mere kiosk and all your data on their servers.
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@joshix @fnrd @EUCommission
my best bet is on it just being a euphemism for data centers@ki @joshix
Or maybe an AI factory is a room where a bunch of people fire thousands of prompts every day and see what sticks?Like throwing faeces at a ceiling ventilator and then see where on the wall it ends up? Over and over and over again.
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@EUCommission 50 % error ratio, wasting energy and water, fake caring about human beings... Yeah,. I see you Europe, you really are AI.
@Minski
Non-producible prompts and unreliable output. Hallucinations are a feature, not a bug.
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Is our European AI supply chain clean or is it based on theft and extortion of humans and the environment like the others?@oli
AI is based on theft of creative works and intellectual property.
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@n_dimension @cstross @EUCommission it’s only useful if you completely ignore the costs and harm associated with producing the models in the first place and even then the actual usecases are pretty rare and the measured productivity gains even rarer.
@cstross @EUCommission @0xtero
The costs and farms are stupendously overblown and conflated.
There is bad faith on both sides of the argumentThe WAAAAH DATACENTRES mob conveniently ignores the current data centres ~50% of which are iclouds, AWS, dropbox, office365 and yes, mastodon, same issues, but oh these are the "good" data centres
Also while growth projection are nasty...model distilation and algo improvement MAY reduce the load significantly. Tech improves. Have you tested the water pressure tank on your steam car?
Its a safety issue.Placing AI Data centres in orbit removes the heat, carbon and energy issue, but forest folk aren't happy about that either (Not a big fan of that either but for different reasons than you)
There is a small test inference engine up there already since December BTW.Copyright and artist exploitation?
Oh yes, did you delete you pirated MP3 and MP4s? Same folks who 4 years ago were chanting "Information wants to be free" are now guardians of corporate copyright.So, yeah.
Ai is useful, x10 is real if you actually git gud.
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@EUCommission Read. The. Room.
A *lot* of the people on Mastodon are creators who have had their intellectual property stolen to feed the generative AI models, with at least one of the billionaires involved openly admitting/bragging that his business model would not be profitable if they had to pay fair royalties for that intellectual property.
A lot of people on Mastodon are deeply concerned about the environmental damage, AI hallucinations, theft of personal/corporate data, and sundry other issues.
There are forms of analytical AI that are useful (e.g. analysis of medical images) and do not involve any of the above. You do not appear to be referring to such analytical models.
@JulesJones
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@cstross @EUCommission @0xtero
The costs and farms are stupendously overblown and conflated.
There is bad faith on both sides of the argumentThe WAAAAH DATACENTRES mob conveniently ignores the current data centres ~50% of which are iclouds, AWS, dropbox, office365 and yes, mastodon, same issues, but oh these are the "good" data centres
Also while growth projection are nasty...model distilation and algo improvement MAY reduce the load significantly. Tech improves. Have you tested the water pressure tank on your steam car?
Its a safety issue.Placing AI Data centres in orbit removes the heat, carbon and energy issue, but forest folk aren't happy about that either (Not a big fan of that either but for different reasons than you)
There is a small test inference engine up there already since December BTW.Copyright and artist exploitation?
Oh yes, did you delete you pirated MP3 and MP4s? Same folks who 4 years ago were chanting "Information wants to be free" are now guardians of corporate copyright.So, yeah.
Ai is useful, x10 is real if you actually git gud.
#aislop #ai #llm #luddites #neoluddites@n_dimension @cstross @EUCommission @0xtero I don't trust you wulfy - and I don't like the tone of your arguments, seems exactly like tech bros who talk down to others.
But anyways, if you distill the model, there's no need for a data center, so who cares.
Might just need one or two data centers for training purposes.
Regarding putting things into orbit - the costs would be silly at best unless you do all kinds of jugglery like ship the model with 100 other useful things
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@EUCommission with all due respect: fuck off with that shit
@reiddragon @EUCommission AI is objectively useful and actually superpowers productivity if used properly, if we dont manage to make our own alternatives we'll end up falling behind the USA and China. We need an alternative that's not a dystopian
I am mostly against the usage of AI and tech in general in education where it's not really needed (ex. students with disabilities or for coding classes) and in art, but for productivity? That is awesome
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@troed@sangberg.se @reiddragon @EUCommission Nah, fuck off with that shit. You too.
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Europe, the AI Continent.
One year ago, we launched the AI Continent Action Plan. Since then, we have made huge strides:
19 AI factories are now live across EU countries. We established the AI Skills Academy to train experts. The AI Omnibus is cutting costs for business. We have earmarked €1 billion to support AI adoption in industry. We are building a secure and innovative AI future for Europe.
Here's how
https://link.europa.eu/nj3VH9@EUCommission I see a lot of initiative to support open source out there in Europe.
I have a simple suggestion, whatever you do, make it open-source and make AI training and inference available to regular folks.
Don't build a single, centralized model.
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@troed @reiddragon @EUCommission Maybe tell that to those endlessly shoving AI down everyone’s throats, Troad.
@tantramar @troed @reiddragon @EUCommission
The issue is not AI in itself since we've been using AI since the early 2010s without even knowing, the issue is shoving LLMs and AI Slop where it is not needed
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Europe, the AI Continent.
One year ago, we launched the AI Continent Action Plan. Since then, we have made huge strides:
19 AI factories are now live across EU countries. We established the AI Skills Academy to train experts. The AI Omnibus is cutting costs for business. We have earmarked €1 billion to support AI adoption in industry. We are building a secure and innovative AI future for Europe.
Here's how
https://link.europa.eu/nj3VH9@EUCommission no thanks!
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@cstross @EUCommission @0xtero
The costs and farms are stupendously overblown and conflated.
There is bad faith on both sides of the argumentThe WAAAAH DATACENTRES mob conveniently ignores the current data centres ~50% of which are iclouds, AWS, dropbox, office365 and yes, mastodon, same issues, but oh these are the "good" data centres
Also while growth projection are nasty...model distilation and algo improvement MAY reduce the load significantly. Tech improves. Have you tested the water pressure tank on your steam car?
Its a safety issue.Placing AI Data centres in orbit removes the heat, carbon and energy issue, but forest folk aren't happy about that either (Not a big fan of that either but for different reasons than you)
There is a small test inference engine up there already since December BTW.Copyright and artist exploitation?
Oh yes, did you delete you pirated MP3 and MP4s? Same folks who 4 years ago were chanting "Information wants to be free" are now guardians of corporate copyright.So, yeah.
Ai is useful, x10 is real if you actually git gud.
#aislop #ai #llm #luddites #neoluddites@n_dimension @cstross @EUCommission AI Datacenters in orbit removes the heat issue because space is cold, right?
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@EUCommission Reading the room is not the forté of whoever is doing the social media strategy of the EU commission
@LeoRJorge @EUCommission Or their politics
