Europe, the AI Continent.
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@n_dimension @cstross @EUCommission it’s only useful if you completely ignore the costs and harm associated with producing the models in the first place and even then the actual usecases are pretty rare and the measured productivity gains even rarer.
@cstross @EUCommission @0xtero
The costs and farms are stupendously overblown and conflated.
There is bad faith on both sides of the argumentThe WAAAAH DATACENTRES mob conveniently ignores the current data centres ~50% of which are iclouds, AWS, dropbox, office365 and yes, mastodon, same issues, but oh these are the "good" data centres
Also while growth projection are nasty...model distilation and algo improvement MAY reduce the load significantly. Tech improves. Have you tested the water pressure tank on your steam car?
Its a safety issue.Placing AI Data centres in orbit removes the heat, carbon and energy issue, but forest folk aren't happy about that either (Not a big fan of that either but for different reasons than you)
There is a small test inference engine up there already since December BTW.Copyright and artist exploitation?
Oh yes, did you delete you pirated MP3 and MP4s? Same folks who 4 years ago were chanting "Information wants to be free" are now guardians of corporate copyright.So, yeah.
Ai is useful, x10 is real if you actually git gud.
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@EUCommission Read. The. Room.
A *lot* of the people on Mastodon are creators who have had their intellectual property stolen to feed the generative AI models, with at least one of the billionaires involved openly admitting/bragging that his business model would not be profitable if they had to pay fair royalties for that intellectual property.
A lot of people on Mastodon are deeply concerned about the environmental damage, AI hallucinations, theft of personal/corporate data, and sundry other issues.
There are forms of analytical AI that are useful (e.g. analysis of medical images) and do not involve any of the above. You do not appear to be referring to such analytical models.
@JulesJones
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@cstross @EUCommission @0xtero
The costs and farms are stupendously overblown and conflated.
There is bad faith on both sides of the argumentThe WAAAAH DATACENTRES mob conveniently ignores the current data centres ~50% of which are iclouds, AWS, dropbox, office365 and yes, mastodon, same issues, but oh these are the "good" data centres
Also while growth projection are nasty...model distilation and algo improvement MAY reduce the load significantly. Tech improves. Have you tested the water pressure tank on your steam car?
Its a safety issue.Placing AI Data centres in orbit removes the heat, carbon and energy issue, but forest folk aren't happy about that either (Not a big fan of that either but for different reasons than you)
There is a small test inference engine up there already since December BTW.Copyright and artist exploitation?
Oh yes, did you delete you pirated MP3 and MP4s? Same folks who 4 years ago were chanting "Information wants to be free" are now guardians of corporate copyright.So, yeah.
Ai is useful, x10 is real if you actually git gud.
#aislop #ai #llm #luddites #neoluddites@n_dimension @cstross @EUCommission @0xtero I don't trust you wulfy - and I don't like the tone of your arguments, seems exactly like tech bros who talk down to others.
But anyways, if you distill the model, there's no need for a data center, so who cares.
Might just need one or two data centers for training purposes.
Regarding putting things into orbit - the costs would be silly at best unless you do all kinds of jugglery like ship the model with 100 other useful things
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@EUCommission with all due respect: fuck off with that shit
@reiddragon @EUCommission AI is objectively useful and actually superpowers productivity if used properly, if we dont manage to make our own alternatives we'll end up falling behind the USA and China. We need an alternative that's not a dystopian
I am mostly against the usage of AI and tech in general in education where it's not really needed (ex. students with disabilities or for coding classes) and in art, but for productivity? That is awesome
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@troed@sangberg.se @reiddragon @EUCommission Nah, fuck off with that shit. You too.
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Europe, the AI Continent.
One year ago, we launched the AI Continent Action Plan. Since then, we have made huge strides:
19 AI factories are now live across EU countries. We established the AI Skills Academy to train experts. The AI Omnibus is cutting costs for business. We have earmarked €1 billion to support AI adoption in industry. We are building a secure and innovative AI future for Europe.
Here's how
https://link.europa.eu/nj3VH9@EUCommission I see a lot of initiative to support open source out there in Europe.
I have a simple suggestion, whatever you do, make it open-source and make AI training and inference available to regular folks.
Don't build a single, centralized model.
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@troed @reiddragon @EUCommission Maybe tell that to those endlessly shoving AI down everyone’s throats, Troad.
@tantramar @troed @reiddragon @EUCommission
The issue is not AI in itself since we've been using AI since the early 2010s without even knowing, the issue is shoving LLMs and AI Slop where it is not needed
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Europe, the AI Continent.
One year ago, we launched the AI Continent Action Plan. Since then, we have made huge strides:
19 AI factories are now live across EU countries. We established the AI Skills Academy to train experts. The AI Omnibus is cutting costs for business. We have earmarked €1 billion to support AI adoption in industry. We are building a secure and innovative AI future for Europe.
Here's how
https://link.europa.eu/nj3VH9@EUCommission no thanks!
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@cstross @EUCommission @0xtero
The costs and farms are stupendously overblown and conflated.
There is bad faith on both sides of the argumentThe WAAAAH DATACENTRES mob conveniently ignores the current data centres ~50% of which are iclouds, AWS, dropbox, office365 and yes, mastodon, same issues, but oh these are the "good" data centres
Also while growth projection are nasty...model distilation and algo improvement MAY reduce the load significantly. Tech improves. Have you tested the water pressure tank on your steam car?
Its a safety issue.Placing AI Data centres in orbit removes the heat, carbon and energy issue, but forest folk aren't happy about that either (Not a big fan of that either but for different reasons than you)
There is a small test inference engine up there already since December BTW.Copyright and artist exploitation?
Oh yes, did you delete you pirated MP3 and MP4s? Same folks who 4 years ago were chanting "Information wants to be free" are now guardians of corporate copyright.So, yeah.
Ai is useful, x10 is real if you actually git gud.
#aislop #ai #llm #luddites #neoluddites@n_dimension @cstross @EUCommission AI Datacenters in orbit removes the heat issue because space is cold, right?
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@EUCommission Reading the room is not the forté of whoever is doing the social media strategy of the EU commission
@LeoRJorge @EUCommission Or their politics
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Europe, the AI Continent.
One year ago, we launched the AI Continent Action Plan. Since then, we have made huge strides:
19 AI factories are now live across EU countries. We established the AI Skills Academy to train experts. The AI Omnibus is cutting costs for business. We have earmarked €1 billion to support AI adoption in industry. We are building a secure and innovative AI future for Europe.
Here's how
https://link.europa.eu/nj3VH9@EUCommission We have a lot more topic requiering funding more urgently than adding more AI slop.
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@reiddragon @EUCommission AI is objectively useful and actually superpowers productivity if used properly, if we dont manage to make our own alternatives we'll end up falling behind the USA and China. We need an alternative that's not a dystopian
I am mostly against the usage of AI and tech in general in education where it's not really needed (ex. students with disabilities or for coding classes) and in art, but for productivity? That is awesome
@super_user_do @EUCommission The only way "productivity" goes up is if you really don't care about the quality of the work, only about the quantity, because the quality of the output is dogshit. And fall behind the US with what, a recession? OpenAI is so deep in debt they'd need to become more profitable than Microsoft, Alphabet, and Amazon combined just to not go deeper in the red. Anthropic didn't publish any financial data but I expect them to be much the same. They're a money furnace, plain and simple, and once you have to pay for these models the full amount thag it takes to run them, they stop being so amazing for productivity brcause a human could do better work for cheaper. -
"Hoping that this bubble will finally burst"
I remember the dotcom and big data bubbles. This is worse. They are trying to force all computing into the cloud so that your computer will be a mere kiosk and all your data on their servers.
@EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu@octade @EUCommission Fearing the worst here, too. Experienced the 2000s by myself and we all know what happened. Besides, every Crypto/Blockchain-Bros. some years ago is an AI-consultant now so what should probably go wrong? We're learning. NOT.
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@tantramar @troed @reiddragon @EUCommission
The issue is not AI in itself since we've been using AI since the early 2010s without even knowing, the issue is shoving LLMs and AI Slop where it is not needed
@super_user_do @tantramar @troed @EUCommission and where have "we" been using? Oh right, Facebook and YouTube and other social media used it to keep you glued to your screen. And Facebook specifically aalso ran experiments to see if they could influence some users' moods or political leanings. Y'know, very ethical work right there. -
Europe, the AI Continent.
One year ago, we launched the AI Continent Action Plan. Since then, we have made huge strides:
19 AI factories are now live across EU countries. We established the AI Skills Academy to train experts. The AI Omnibus is cutting costs for business. We have earmarked €1 billion to support AI adoption in industry. We are building a secure and innovative AI future for Europe.
Here's how
https://link.europa.eu/nj3VH9@EUCommission DON'T
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Europe, the AI Continent.
One year ago, we launched the AI Continent Action Plan. Since then, we have made huge strides:
19 AI factories are now live across EU countries. We established the AI Skills Academy to train experts. The AI Omnibus is cutting costs for business. We have earmarked €1 billion to support AI adoption in industry. We are building a secure and innovative AI future for Europe.
Here's how
https://link.europa.eu/nj3VH9@EUCommission This is disgusting. Death to AI.
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@EUCommission The AI boom is based on a big lie designed to steal money without delivering anything useful. You are being defrauded by the American tech sector.
@cstross @EUCommission Best description so far.
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@EUCommission The AI boom is based on a big lie designed to steal money without delivering anything useful. You are being defrauded by the American tech sector.
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Europe, the AI Continent.
One year ago, we launched the AI Continent Action Plan. Since then, we have made huge strides:
19 AI factories are now live across EU countries. We established the AI Skills Academy to train experts. The AI Omnibus is cutting costs for business. We have earmarked €1 billion to support AI adoption in industry. We are building a secure and innovative AI future for Europe.
Here's how
https://link.europa.eu/nj3VH9@EUCommission You insult and debase yourselves.
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Europe, the AI Continent.
One year ago, we launched the AI Continent Action Plan. Since then, we have made huge strides:
19 AI factories are now live across EU countries. We established the AI Skills Academy to train experts. The AI Omnibus is cutting costs for business. We have earmarked €1 billion to support AI adoption in industry. We are building a secure and innovative AI future for Europe.
Here's how
https://link.europa.eu/nj3VH9@EUCommission Seriously? You want to (1) destroy the only planet we have, (2) give loads of technical wealth to people who already have more than they know what to do with, at the expense of everyone else, (3) support the wholesale theft of all original work in order to make those people richer? Stop believing their hype and hypocrisy.
