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  • nowster@fedi.nowster.me.ukN nowster@fedi.nowster.me.uk
    @davidnjoku@mastodon.world Many libraries were originally sponsored by the industrialist Andrew Carnegie.
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    @nowster Fair point.

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    • davidnjoku@mastodon.worldD davidnjoku@mastodon.world

      Random thought.

      If public libraries didn't already exist, capitalism wouldn't let you invent it. Can you imagine how many billions Jeff Bezos would plough into fighting the idea, destroying any politician who dared to back it?

      Support your local library.

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      @davidnjoku

      In like thinking, if solar energy was free the oil & gas industry would do everything in their power to ensure it was not used …

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      • davidnjoku@mastodon.worldD davidnjoku@mastodon.world

        Random thought.

        If public libraries didn't already exist, capitalism wouldn't let you invent it. Can you imagine how many billions Jeff Bezos would plough into fighting the idea, destroying any politician who dared to back it?

        Support your local library.

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        @davidnjoku I volunteer at our local library and I have yet to see any bezos there

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        • davidnjoku@mastodon.worldD davidnjoku@mastodon.world

          Random thought.

          If public libraries didn't already exist, capitalism wouldn't let you invent it. Can you imagine how many billions Jeff Bezos would plough into fighting the idea, destroying any politician who dared to back it?

          Support your local library.

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          @davidnjoku

          What does capitalism have to do with the fact most people are stupid enough to get locked into a walled garden where they don't really buy anything but pay for a subscription?

          What does capitalism have to do with the fact that we are being pushed into a future where we essentially own nothing and we're supposed to be happy about it?

          Neither of these things are a fundamental part of capitalism.

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          • nowster@fedi.nowster.me.ukN nowster@fedi.nowster.me.uk
            @davidnjoku@mastodon.world Many libraries were originally sponsored by the industrialist Andrew Carnegie.
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            @nowster @davidnjoku

            True, he did.

            And yet, we’re all better off sponsoring those libraries with our shared tax dollars rather than depending on a robber baron like Carnegie to decide that he is going to do something good for once.

            And I think that’s where I share the sentiment David is expressing:

            I don’t want to have bet something important on maybe a powerful, exploitative person so grow a little bit of a conscience or discovery mercy of some sort.

            That’s really the big thing, isn’t it? Maybe the king is good, maybe bad, maybe both, but rather not have something as powerful as a king or an oligarch.

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            • kalki_rider@mastodon.socialK kalki_rider@mastodon.social

              @davidnjoku

              What does capitalism have to do with the fact most people are stupid enough to get locked into a walled garden where they don't really buy anything but pay for a subscription?

              What does capitalism have to do with the fact that we are being pushed into a future where we essentially own nothing and we're supposed to be happy about it?

              Neither of these things are a fundamental part of capitalism.

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              @Kalki_Rider They seem directly connected, to me. Capitalism causes both of them.

              @davidnjoku

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              • woozle@toot.catW woozle@toot.cat

                @Kalki_Rider They seem directly connected, to me. Capitalism causes both of them.

                @davidnjoku

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                @woozle @davidnjoku Then you don't know the definition of capitalism. In capitalism, owning things is generally seen as a good thing.

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                • nowster@fedi.nowster.me.ukN nowster@fedi.nowster.me.uk
                  @davidnjoku@mastodon.world Many libraries were originally sponsored by the industrialist Andrew Carnegie.
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                  @nowster @davidnjoku

                  ‘Andrew Carnegie supported libraries because he believed access to knowledge was essential for self-improvement, merit-based success, and community advancement. As a formerly poor immigrant, he credited his own success to having free access to books, calling libraries "ladders upon which the aspiring may climb"’ Wikipedia

                  These ideas really didn’t used to be controversial or identifiable with a particular side of the political spectrum.

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                  • davidnjoku@mastodon.worldD davidnjoku@mastodon.world

                    Random thought.

                    If public libraries didn't already exist, capitalism wouldn't let you invent it. Can you imagine how many billions Jeff Bezos would plough into fighting the idea, destroying any politician who dared to back it?

                    Support your local library.

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                    @davidnjoku

                    And create new ones.

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                    • davidnjoku@mastodon.worldD davidnjoku@mastodon.world

                      Random thought.

                      If public libraries didn't already exist, capitalism wouldn't let you invent it. Can you imagine how many billions Jeff Bezos would plough into fighting the idea, destroying any politician who dared to back it?

                      Support your local library.

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                      @davidnjoku “Imagine there was no such thing as a library, and that members of the current neoliberal policy consensus were to sit down today and invent it.”

                      Just a moment...

                      favicon

                      (www.dissentmagazine.org)

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                      • kalki_rider@mastodon.socialK kalki_rider@mastodon.social

                        @woozle @davidnjoku Then you don't know the definition of capitalism. In capitalism, owning things is generally seen as a good thing.

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                        @Kalki_Rider

                        Yes, that is correct. Capitalism says nothing, however, about ensuring that ownership is equitable, fair, or even common.

                        @davidnjoku

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                        • woozle@toot.catW woozle@toot.cat

                          @Kalki_Rider

                          Yes, that is correct. Capitalism says nothing, however, about ensuring that ownership is equitable, fair, or even common.

                          @davidnjoku

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                          @woozle @davidnjoku Well then, on the same token, Communism and Socialism must both fundamentally lead to totalitarianism.

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                            @woozle @davidnjoku Well then, on the same token, Communism and Socialism must both fundamentally lead to totalitarianism.

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                            @Kalki_Rider

                            Why would you suggest that socialism leads to totalitarianism?

                            @davidnjoku

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                            • davidnjoku@mastodon.worldD davidnjoku@mastodon.world

                              Random thought.

                              If public libraries didn't already exist, capitalism wouldn't let you invent it. Can you imagine how many billions Jeff Bezos would plough into fighting the idea, destroying any politician who dared to back it?

                              Support your local library.

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                              @davidnjoku

                              Oddly many towns main public library was built with funding from one of the original slave driving capitalists like JJHill. More or less as monuments to themselves.

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                              • davidnjoku@mastodon.worldD davidnjoku@mastodon.world

                                Random thought.

                                If public libraries didn't already exist, capitalism wouldn't let you invent it. Can you imagine how many billions Jeff Bezos would plough into fighting the idea, destroying any politician who dared to back it?

                                Support your local library.

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                                @davidnjoku @MeaningfulBits

                                Free books? That’s some super socialist shit, there!

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                                • woozle@toot.catW woozle@toot.cat

                                  @Kalki_Rider

                                  Why would you suggest that socialism leads to totalitarianism?

                                  @davidnjoku

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                                  @woozle @davidnjoku Show me where it hasn't.

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                                  • kalki_rider@mastodon.socialK kalki_rider@mastodon.social

                                    @woozle @davidnjoku Show me where it hasn't.

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                                    @Kalki_Rider All of Scandinavia?

                                    You're viewing our current situation in a short-sighted way. Paying for subs means we're basically renting... from the rich person who owns the material or rights.

                                    The landlord is a part of capitalism.

                                    @woozle @davidnjoku

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                                    • solitha@mastodon.socialS solitha@mastodon.social

                                      @Kalki_Rider All of Scandinavia?

                                      You're viewing our current situation in a short-sighted way. Paying for subs means we're basically renting... from the rich person who owns the material or rights.

                                      The landlord is a part of capitalism.

                                      @woozle @davidnjoku

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                                      @solitha @woozle @davidnjoku Scandinavia doesn't exactly have the best speech laws. Let alone privacy.

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                                      • kalki_rider@mastodon.socialK kalki_rider@mastodon.social

                                        @solitha @woozle @davidnjoku Scandinavia doesn't exactly have the best speech laws. Let alone privacy.

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                                        @Kalki_Rider They're better off than where we are, and worlds better than where we're going.

                                        @woozle @davidnjoku

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                                        • solitha@mastodon.socialS solitha@mastodon.social

                                          @Kalki_Rider They're better off than where we are, and worlds better than where we're going.

                                          @woozle @davidnjoku

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                                          @solitha @woozle @davidnjoku No, they are not. Say the wrong thing there and the police will come to your door. Fail to comply with their complaints and you will suffer. This is not freedom.

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