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OMG. Can you imagine publishing Machine Code for Beginners today??

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  • gimulnautti@mastodon.greenG gimulnautti@mastodon.green

    @paco Could you believe we had no problems expecting humans could write machine code, just for fun? 🤔

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    @gimulnautti @paco It is fun.

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      @GreenYesScotland @paco This is how I learned Fortran.

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      • simonzerafa@infosec.exchangeS simonzerafa@infosec.exchange

        @paco

        There are still one or two brave souls that program in Assembler 🙂👍

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        @simonzerafa My first, and perhaps most interesting, contribution to open source was assembly.

        To play DOOM head to head over a modem, you needed a TSR that ran in DOS and basically translated a modem connection onto a network connection. My uni had these super fast digital modems (115K when the standard was 56K). The DOOM folks open-sourced this little serial adapter thingie. I rewrote some of the main loop in assembly to improve efficiency and emailed the patch.

        Frankly, I was a 4th year student who had just taken his first assembly class. It’s entirely likely that I didn’t improve it much at all.

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        • paco@infosec.exchangeP paco@infosec.exchange

          OMG. Can you imagine publishing Machine Code for Beginners today??

          Usborne 1980s Computer Books

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          @paco Yes, but every page would start out “Ask your AI Assistant to…”

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          • gimulnautti@mastodon.greenG gimulnautti@mastodon.green

            @paco Could you believe we had no problems expecting humans could write machine code, just for fun? 🤔

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            @gimulnautti

            some of us did… 😬
            (and for small, simple architectures, I still find it kinda fun, but amd64 and ARM have gotten too big for me to find them fun/interesting)

            @paco

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            • paco@infosec.exchangeP paco@infosec.exchange

              OMG. Can you imagine publishing Machine Code for Beginners today??

              Usborne 1980s Computer Books

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              @paco

              On the first computer I used with any regularity, I entered machine code via a hex keypad into its RAM--all 256 bytes of it.

              That was an RCA COSMAC ELF single-board computer.

              I was around 10 years old.

              Assemblers and assembly language are luxury in comparison.

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              • johnlogic@sfba.socialJ johnlogic@sfba.social

                @paco

                On the first computer I used with any regularity, I entered machine code via a hex keypad into its RAM--all 256 bytes of it.

                That was an RCA COSMAC ELF single-board computer.

                I was around 10 years old.

                Assemblers and assembly language are luxury in comparison.

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                @johnlogic you got me beat. My first was a commodore VIC20. 20 Kb of memory. Of which 3600 or so was RAM.

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                • bitchboss@marcella.masto.hostB bitchboss@marcella.masto.host

                  @paco

                  Spent half my life on a 6502c but nobody wants to hear...

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                  @bitchboss @paco
                  I built the "Junior Computer" with my dad, Germany, early 80s, this was 6502 based... I still have the books...

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                  • carstenfranke@mastodon.socialC carstenfranke@mastodon.social

                    @bitchboss @paco
                    I built the "Junior Computer" with my dad, Germany, early 80s, this was 6502 based... I still have the books...

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                    @carstenfranke @paco

                    Wonderful. A hexcoder. That was programming that really impressed people. Nowadays, you can program 6502 PCB boards with C (online) and download the binary to a PCB board with a 6502 no bigger than a pinhead.

                    The beauty of this is that if the world collapses, these types of computers are easy to put together with parts from... the scrapyard. You just have to dig a little deeper...

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                    • paco@infosec.exchangeP paco@infosec.exchange

                      @johnlogic you got me beat. My first was a commodore VIC20. 20 Kb of memory. Of which 3600 or so was RAM.

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                      @paco I don't know the VIC-20 that well. I moved up to an Atari 800 when they were sold fully loaded with 48 kiB of RAM. It also included 10 kiB of OS ROM, where 2 k was just the character set bitmaps.

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                      • bitchboss@marcella.masto.hostB bitchboss@marcella.masto.host

                        @paco

                        Spent half my life on a 6502c but nobody wants to hear...

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                        @bitchboss @paco Time well spent! This little homebrew board and a BBC micro to write code for it saved a very remotely-located experiment I was responsible for when its controller failed. Only made feasible by Sophie Wilson’s foresight to build a very capable 6502 assembler into the BBC’s Basic environment.

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                        • zosho@toot.walesZ zosho@toot.wales

                          @bitchboss @paco Time well spent! This little homebrew board and a BBC micro to write code for it saved a very remotely-located experiment I was responsible for when its controller failed. Only made feasible by Sophie Wilson’s foresight to build a very capable 6502 assembler into the BBC’s Basic environment.

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                          @zosho @paco

                          Oh wow! The last time I saw wiring like that was when Gould was building spy satellites. And yes, an inline assembler to be envious of. I believe Turbo Basic 8088 and its successors also have an inline assembler. Very special.

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                          • bitchboss@marcella.masto.hostB bitchboss@marcella.masto.host

                            @zosho @paco

                            Oh wow! The last time I saw wiring like that was when Gould was building spy satellites. And yes, an inline assembler to be envious of. I believe Turbo Basic 8088 and its successors also have an inline assembler. Very special.

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                            @bitchboss @paco 😂 wouldn’t recommended it unless it’s the only way available!

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