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OMG. Can you imagine publishing Machine Code for Beginners today??

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  • bitchboss@marcella.masto.hostB bitchboss@marcella.masto.host

    @Walrus @paco

    That was my father's adventure, the Sinclair ZX80. He still has it. He played with it a lot. He taught me how to program. When I was 18, I switched to an Atari 800XL, which I used as my breaker box in the Air Force. The first thing I programmed was a modification to the tape OS using machine code (with a self-written assembler) to increase the baud rate and record/read file name headers on cassette tapes. I mean, 500 baud and not knowing what track is on the tape is bananas...

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    @bitchboss Awesome!
    @Walrus

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    • fritzadalis@infosec.exchangeF fritzadalis@infosec.exchange

      @Walrus @bitchboss @paco
      Shoot, got people living in a Z80 today.

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      @FritzAdalis @Walrus @paco

      Symplicity goes a long way...

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      • paco@infosec.exchangeP paco@infosec.exchange

        OMG. Can you imagine publishing Machine Code for Beginners today??

        Usborne 1980s Computer Books

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        @paco

        There are still one or two brave souls that program in Assembler ๐Ÿ™‚๐Ÿ‘

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        • gimulnautti@mastodon.greenG gimulnautti@mastodon.green

          @paco Could you believe we had no problems expecting humans could write machine code, just for fun? ๐Ÿค”

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          @gimulnautti @paco It is fun.

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            @GreenYesScotland @paco This is how I learned Fortran.

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            • simonzerafa@infosec.exchangeS simonzerafa@infosec.exchange

              @paco

              There are still one or two brave souls that program in Assembler ๐Ÿ™‚๐Ÿ‘

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              @simonzerafa My first, and perhaps most interesting, contribution to open source was assembly.

              To play DOOM head to head over a modem, you needed a TSR that ran in DOS and basically translated a modem connection onto a network connection. My uni had these super fast digital modems (115K when the standard was 56K). The DOOM folks open-sourced this little serial adapter thingie. I rewrote some of the main loop in assembly to improve efficiency and emailed the patch.

              Frankly, I was a 4th year student who had just taken his first assembly class. Itโ€™s entirely likely that I didnโ€™t improve it much at all.

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              • paco@infosec.exchangeP paco@infosec.exchange

                OMG. Can you imagine publishing Machine Code for Beginners today??

                Usborne 1980s Computer Books

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                @paco Yes, but every page would start out โ€œAsk your AI Assistant toโ€ฆโ€

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                • gimulnautti@mastodon.greenG gimulnautti@mastodon.green

                  @paco Could you believe we had no problems expecting humans could write machine code, just for fun? ๐Ÿค”

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                  @gimulnautti

                  some of us didโ€ฆ ๐Ÿ˜ฌ
                  (and for small, simple architectures, I still find it kinda fun, but amd64 and ARM have gotten too big for me to find them fun/interesting)

                  @paco

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                  • paco@infosec.exchangeP paco@infosec.exchange

                    OMG. Can you imagine publishing Machine Code for Beginners today??

                    Usborne 1980s Computer Books

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                    @paco

                    On the first computer I used with any regularity, I entered machine code via a hex keypad into its RAM--all 256 bytes of it.

                    That was an RCA COSMAC ELF single-board computer.

                    I was around 10 years old.

                    Assemblers and assembly language are luxury in comparison.

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                    • johnlogic@sfba.socialJ johnlogic@sfba.social

                      @paco

                      On the first computer I used with any regularity, I entered machine code via a hex keypad into its RAM--all 256 bytes of it.

                      That was an RCA COSMAC ELF single-board computer.

                      I was around 10 years old.

                      Assemblers and assembly language are luxury in comparison.

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                      @johnlogic you got me beat. My first was a commodore VIC20. 20 Kb of memory. Of which 3600 or so was RAM.

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                      • bitchboss@marcella.masto.hostB bitchboss@marcella.masto.host

                        @paco

                        Spent half my life on a 6502c but nobody wants to hear...

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                        @bitchboss @paco
                        I built the "Junior Computer" with my dad, Germany, early 80s, this was 6502 based... I still have the books...

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                        • carstenfranke@mastodon.socialC carstenfranke@mastodon.social

                          @bitchboss @paco
                          I built the "Junior Computer" with my dad, Germany, early 80s, this was 6502 based... I still have the books...

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                          @carstenfranke @paco

                          Wonderful. A hexcoder. That was programming that really impressed people. Nowadays, you can program 6502 PCB boards with C (online) and download the binary to a PCB board with a 6502 no bigger than a pinhead.

                          The beauty of this is that if the world collapses, these types of computers are easy to put together with parts from... the scrapyard. You just have to dig a little deeper...

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                          • paco@infosec.exchangeP paco@infosec.exchange

                            @johnlogic you got me beat. My first was a commodore VIC20. 20 Kb of memory. Of which 3600 or so was RAM.

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                            @paco I don't know the VIC-20 that well. I moved up to an Atari 800 when they were sold fully loaded with 48 kiB of RAM. It also included 10 kiB of OS ROM, where 2 k was just the character set bitmaps.

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                            • bitchboss@marcella.masto.hostB bitchboss@marcella.masto.host

                              @paco

                              Spent half my life on a 6502c but nobody wants to hear...

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                              @bitchboss @paco Time well spent! This little homebrew board and a BBC micro to write code for it saved a very remotely-located experiment I was responsible for when its controller failed. Only made feasible by Sophie Wilsonโ€™s foresight to build a very capable 6502 assembler into the BBCโ€™s Basic environment.

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                              • zosho@toot.walesZ zosho@toot.wales

                                @bitchboss @paco Time well spent! This little homebrew board and a BBC micro to write code for it saved a very remotely-located experiment I was responsible for when its controller failed. Only made feasible by Sophie Wilsonโ€™s foresight to build a very capable 6502 assembler into the BBCโ€™s Basic environment.

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                                @zosho @paco

                                Oh wow! The last time I saw wiring like that was when Gould was building spy satellites. And yes, an inline assembler to be envious of. I believe Turbo Basic 8088 and its successors also have an inline assembler. Very special.

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                                • bitchboss@marcella.masto.hostB bitchboss@marcella.masto.host

                                  @zosho @paco

                                  Oh wow! The last time I saw wiring like that was when Gould was building spy satellites. And yes, an inline assembler to be envious of. I believe Turbo Basic 8088 and its successors also have an inline assembler. Very special.

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                                  @bitchboss @paco ๐Ÿ˜‚ wouldnโ€™t recommended it unless itโ€™s the only way available!

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