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OMG. Can you imagine publishing Machine Code for Beginners today??

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  • paco@infosec.exchangeP paco@infosec.exchange

    OMG. Can you imagine publishing Machine Code for Beginners today??

    Usborne 1980s Computer Books

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    @paco Yes, but every page would start out “Ask your AI Assistant to…”

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    • gimulnautti@mastodon.greenG gimulnautti@mastodon.green

      @paco Could you believe we had no problems expecting humans could write machine code, just for fun? 🤔

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      @gimulnautti

      some of us did… 😬
      (and for small, simple architectures, I still find it kinda fun, but amd64 and ARM have gotten too big for me to find them fun/interesting)

      @paco

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      • paco@infosec.exchangeP paco@infosec.exchange

        OMG. Can you imagine publishing Machine Code for Beginners today??

        Usborne 1980s Computer Books

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        @paco

        On the first computer I used with any regularity, I entered machine code via a hex keypad into its RAM--all 256 bytes of it.

        That was an RCA COSMAC ELF single-board computer.

        I was around 10 years old.

        Assemblers and assembly language are luxury in comparison.

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        • johnlogic@sfba.socialJ johnlogic@sfba.social

          @paco

          On the first computer I used with any regularity, I entered machine code via a hex keypad into its RAM--all 256 bytes of it.

          That was an RCA COSMAC ELF single-board computer.

          I was around 10 years old.

          Assemblers and assembly language are luxury in comparison.

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          @johnlogic you got me beat. My first was a commodore VIC20. 20 Kb of memory. Of which 3600 or so was RAM.

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          • bitchboss@marcella.masto.hostB bitchboss@marcella.masto.host

            @paco

            Spent half my life on a 6502c but nobody wants to hear...

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            @bitchboss @paco
            I built the "Junior Computer" with my dad, Germany, early 80s, this was 6502 based... I still have the books...

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            • carstenfranke@mastodon.socialC carstenfranke@mastodon.social

              @bitchboss @paco
              I built the "Junior Computer" with my dad, Germany, early 80s, this was 6502 based... I still have the books...

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              @carstenfranke @paco

              Wonderful. A hexcoder. That was programming that really impressed people. Nowadays, you can program 6502 PCB boards with C (online) and download the binary to a PCB board with a 6502 no bigger than a pinhead.

              The beauty of this is that if the world collapses, these types of computers are easy to put together with parts from... the scrapyard. You just have to dig a little deeper...

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              • paco@infosec.exchangeP paco@infosec.exchange

                @johnlogic you got me beat. My first was a commodore VIC20. 20 Kb of memory. Of which 3600 or so was RAM.

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                @paco I don't know the VIC-20 that well. I moved up to an Atari 800 when they were sold fully loaded with 48 kiB of RAM. It also included 10 kiB of OS ROM, where 2 k was just the character set bitmaps.

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                • bitchboss@marcella.masto.hostB bitchboss@marcella.masto.host

                  @paco

                  Spent half my life on a 6502c but nobody wants to hear...

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                  @bitchboss @paco Time well spent! This little homebrew board and a BBC micro to write code for it saved a very remotely-located experiment I was responsible for when its controller failed. Only made feasible by Sophie Wilson’s foresight to build a very capable 6502 assembler into the BBC’s Basic environment.

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                  • zosho@toot.walesZ zosho@toot.wales

                    @bitchboss @paco Time well spent! This little homebrew board and a BBC micro to write code for it saved a very remotely-located experiment I was responsible for when its controller failed. Only made feasible by Sophie Wilson’s foresight to build a very capable 6502 assembler into the BBC’s Basic environment.

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                    @zosho @paco

                    Oh wow! The last time I saw wiring like that was when Gould was building spy satellites. And yes, an inline assembler to be envious of. I believe Turbo Basic 8088 and its successors also have an inline assembler. Very special.

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                    • bitchboss@marcella.masto.hostB bitchboss@marcella.masto.host

                      @zosho @paco

                      Oh wow! The last time I saw wiring like that was when Gould was building spy satellites. And yes, an inline assembler to be envious of. I believe Turbo Basic 8088 and its successors also have an inline assembler. Very special.

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                      @bitchboss @paco 😂 wouldn’t recommended it unless it’s the only way available!

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