I see a lot of posts lately along the lines of, "Well, if the tech companies/data centers are going to waste so much electricity and water, why should I bother to conserve?"
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@MLE_online Yes. Ethical people do things because they are the right thing to do.
But it's important to point out that you sometime really need systematic change to really move the needle. I drive a civic among the crowds of SUVs because it's the right thing to do IMHO. But we need to change regulations if we want to bring an end to the era of American Hugemobiles.
@acsawdey Absolutely, but too many people see industry behaving badly and say, "I'm going to behave badly, too."
If everyone just gives into bad behavior, then there's no incentive to change regulations
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Some people get mad when I post sentiments like this because they claim I'm letting Big Oil/Big Tech off the hook and shifting responsibility to the individual.
That is also wrong. We are each responsible for our own choices and actions. The fact that someone else is doing something wrong doesn't absolve you from your own responsibility to try and do good.
Be better!
@MLE_online it is my firm belief that the majority of tech (and possibly society at large) is stuck between Stages 3 and 4 of Kohlberg's model of moral development.
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Some people get mad when I post sentiments like this because they claim I'm letting Big Oil/Big Tech off the hook and shifting responsibility to the individual.
That is also wrong. We are each responsible for our own choices and actions. The fact that someone else is doing something wrong doesn't absolve you from your own responsibility to try and do good.
Be better!
@MLE_online To me the missing link between these ideas is “if I’m doing what I reasonably can* to conserve, I get even more fired up to compel these [redacted] corporations by regulation, law, and aggressive enforcements and penalties to do it too.” It’s not only not either-or, they *amplify* each other.
* (Probably well more than what most people would consider reasonable, but when you have circumstantial privilege to not need more, why wouldn’t you leverage it? So I do.)
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@MLE_online it is my firm belief that the majority of tech (and possibly society at large) is stuck between Stages 3 and 4 of Kohlberg's model of moral development.
@SnoopJ a lot of people are barely past the self interest and avoiding punishment stages
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@SnoopJ a lot of people are barely past the self interest and avoiding punishment stages
@MLE_online I'm trying to be generous here
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Some people get mad when I post sentiments like this because they claim I'm letting Big Oil/Big Tech off the hook and shifting responsibility to the individual.
That is also wrong. We are each responsible for our own choices and actions. The fact that someone else is doing something wrong doesn't absolve you from your own responsibility to try and do good.
Be better!
@MLE_online
But why do you think they say that? -
@MLE_online But have you ever asked your self about this, before blaming?
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@MLE_online But have you ever asked your self about this, before blaming?
@cultivatorchief45 Yes, of course I have. And I've concluded that it's a bad way of thinking
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@MLE_online it is my firm belief that the majority of tech (and possibly society at large) is stuck between Stages 3 and 4 of Kohlberg's model of moral development.
@SnoopJ @MLE_online Stages 3 and 4 are rather garbage that could probably be skipped...
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@cultivatorchief45 Yes, of course I have. And I've concluded that it's a bad way of thinking
@MLE_online
One, l was in the garden, and l saw a lady driving a car, yet me, am usually using bare foot
to walk during my days of living, but should l blame my self of her self however, God knows -
I see a lot of posts lately along the lines of, "Well, if the tech companies/data centers are going to waste so much electricity and water, why should I bother to conserve?"
That thinking misses the point. You conserve because it's the right thing to do, not because everyone else is doing it.
If you see someone being repeatedly stabbed, you don't say, "I'm going to go stab them, too, but it's ok, because I'm just going to do it once."
@MLE_online You may be right, but shaming people into conservation is a losing strategy when the only winning strategy is who we vote for.
No amount of personal conservation is going to get us out of the mess we are making. That only resides in the domain of government and frankly any other discussions aren't helpful. They were 30 years ago, but not anymore, at least outside of learning how to be a generally well rounded, good person as you grow up. -
@MLE_online You may be right, but shaming people into conservation is a losing strategy when the only winning strategy is who we vote for.
No amount of personal conservation is going to get us out of the mess we are making. That only resides in the domain of government and frankly any other discussions aren't helpful. They were 30 years ago, but not anymore, at least outside of learning how to be a generally well rounded, good person as you grow up.@burly If everyone conserved more because they personally decided it was the right thing to do, there would be less mass pollution. People blame the oil companies, but who are they selling the oil to?
They sell it to us to power our cars and make our plastic goods. Those aren't things we can easily detach ourselves from, but if everyone made the choice to drive less and buy less disposable junk, the oil companies would process less oil. It's not like they burn it just to burn it.
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I see a lot of posts lately along the lines of, "Well, if the tech companies/data centers are going to waste so much electricity and water, why should I bother to conserve?"
That thinking misses the point. You conserve because it's the right thing to do, not because everyone else is doing it.
If you see someone being repeatedly stabbed, you don't say, "I'm going to go stab them, too, but it's ok, because I'm just going to do it once."
@MLE_online there is also the 'why am I suffering so you can take a 3 hour shower' angle. Which I also agree with, but I think the pig should be the one on a diet. Resource starvation makes lots of anger.
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