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  4. Each time a new privacy-invasive feature like facial scanning is implemented, if people in majority comply and accept to use it, it will soon become normality, and other options will be marginalized or even removed entirely.

Each time a new privacy-invasive feature like facial scanning is implemented, if people in majority comply and accept to use it, it will soon become normality, and other options will be marginalized or even removed entirely.

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  • nakdim@mathstodon.xyzN nakdim@mathstodon.xyz

    @Em0nM4stodon How do we protest? In this case it's Discord turn to an arse... How do we make a stand against it? Stop using it is the bet option ofc, but I don't expect that most people will randomly drop away since so far they already share phone numbers without too much hassle and even if given the option for "oldschool" forums they will still choose discord... ๐Ÿ˜• What are the alternatives? ๐Ÿ˜ž

    I'm not ranting. I'm genuinely asking!

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    @nakdim @Em0nM4stodon I'm afraid the one and only realistic alternative is to stop looking for alternatives. In other words, instead of trying to do what they already do but in a different way and with different tools, one should first question whether their "needs" are actual needs or simply preferences they're reluctant to leave behind.

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    • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

      Each time a new privacy-invasive
      feature like facial scanning is implemented, if people in majority comply and accept to use it, it will soon become normality, and other options will be marginalized or even removed entirely.

      If each time a new privacy-invasive
      feature is implemented people opted to refuse it, it would soon be discontinued.

      Each individual opposition to privacy-invasive features matters.

      It is an act of self-protection but,
      perhaps even more importantly,
      it is also an act of protest.

      A protest against the normalization of mass surveillance and the loss of privacy rights.

      The fact that there are other cameras around doesn't mean that more cameras or additional scanning is not making things even worse.

      If we do not refuse,
      if we do not fight for our privacy rights,
      we will lose them all.

      #Privacy #MassSurveillance #AgeVerification #FacialRecognition #HumanRights #DigitalRights

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      @Em0nM4stodon

      ๐Ÿ’ฏ!!!

      I recently tried to check in for an international flight online. It asked for a picture of my passport, with a disclaimer [paraphrasing] that my passport info would be sent to a third party for processing.

      That's a hard pass for me. I'd rather wait in line at the airport then have some third party I don't know about have access to my passport info

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      • nakdim@mathstodon.xyzN nakdim@mathstodon.xyz

        @Em0nM4stodon How do we protest? In this case it's Discord turn to an arse... How do we make a stand against it? Stop using it is the bet option ofc, but I don't expect that most people will randomly drop away since so far they already share phone numbers without too much hassle and even if given the option for "oldschool" forums they will still choose discord... ๐Ÿ˜• What are the alternatives? ๐Ÿ˜ž

        I'm not ranting. I'm genuinely asking!

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        @nakdim @Em0nM4stodon Allegedly, using Gary's Mod subverts the age control, but I'm uncertain if it causes the company owner to think it's accepted as opposed to broken.

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        • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

          Each time a new privacy-invasive
          feature like facial scanning is implemented, if people in majority comply and accept to use it, it will soon become normality, and other options will be marginalized or even removed entirely.

          If each time a new privacy-invasive
          feature is implemented people opted to refuse it, it would soon be discontinued.

          Each individual opposition to privacy-invasive features matters.

          It is an act of self-protection but,
          perhaps even more importantly,
          it is also an act of protest.

          A protest against the normalization of mass surveillance and the loss of privacy rights.

          The fact that there are other cameras around doesn't mean that more cameras or additional scanning is not making things even worse.

          If we do not refuse,
          if we do not fight for our privacy rights,
          we will lose them all.

          #Privacy #MassSurveillance #AgeVerification #FacialRecognition #HumanRights #DigitalRights

          retech@defcon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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          @Em0nM4stodon

          If we do not refuse,
          if we do not fight for our privacy rights,
          we are saying yes to the power structures and
          we will lose all our rights.

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          • nakdim@mathstodon.xyzN nakdim@mathstodon.xyz

            @Em0nM4stodon How do we protest? In this case it's Discord turn to an arse... How do we make a stand against it? Stop using it is the bet option ofc, but I don't expect that most people will randomly drop away since so far they already share phone numbers without too much hassle and even if given the option for "oldschool" forums they will still choose discord... ๐Ÿ˜• What are the alternatives? ๐Ÿ˜ž

            I'm not ranting. I'm genuinely asking!

            nuwagaba2@mastodon.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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            @nakdim
            If your protested alone or with a small group of people, would any impact be made ?

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            • ratel@mastodon.socialR ratel@mastodon.social

              @nakdim @Em0nM4stodon I'm afraid the one and only realistic alternative is to stop looking for alternatives. In other words, instead of trying to do what they already do but in a different way and with different tools, one should first question whether their "needs" are actual needs or simply preferences they're reluctant to leave behind.

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              @ratel
              If you fight, you may lose but if you don't fight, you totally and completely lose. If we can't look for alternatives, can we create our own alternatives?

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              • retech@defcon.socialR retech@defcon.social

                @Em0nM4stodon

                If we do not refuse,
                if we do not fight for our privacy rights,
                we are saying yes to the power structures and
                we will lose all our rights.

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                #14

                @retech
                We can't wait until it's to late to discover that we hsve already lost our rights. This seems like something that has been planned for years to change the world into what it's becoming now. What's the best way of fighting for our privacy rights?

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                • bowreality@mastodon.socialB bowreality@mastodon.social

                  @Em0nM4stodon Too many people live by โ€œI donโ€™t lose sleep over things like thatโ€ and FOMO

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                  #15

                  @Bowreality
                  What do you think can open their eyes to see tge danger awaiting them?

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                  • nuwagaba2@mastodon.socialN nuwagaba2@mastodon.social

                    @ratel
                    If you fight, you may lose but if you don't fight, you totally and completely lose. If we can't look for alternatives, can we create our own alternatives?

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                    @nuwagaba2 I'm not telling anyone what they should do. I see nothing wrong with creating alternatives. What I'm saying is we'll have to be a little more ambitious than merely struggling to replace services that are already a problem in itself.

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                    • nuwagaba2@mastodon.socialN nuwagaba2@mastodon.social

                      @retech
                      We can't wait until it's to late to discover that we hsve already lost our rights. This seems like something that has been planned for years to change the world into what it's becoming now. What's the best way of fighting for our privacy rights?

                      retech@defcon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @nuwagaba2 Never give a corporation your real information. Use a cellphone (if you must) with grapheneOS. Doublehop vpn for everything. Rotate your mac address. Use a single use email for every account you have, and make up a name for every account that's not gov't required to have your real name. Never use your address whenever possible. No subscription services. No images or real names online, ever. 30+ char unique password for everything. No voicemail.

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                      • ratel@mastodon.socialR ratel@mastodon.social

                        @nuwagaba2 I'm not telling anyone what they should do. I see nothing wrong with creating alternatives. What I'm saying is we'll have to be a little more ambitious than merely struggling to replace services that are already a problem in itself.

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                        @ratel
                        That's right. How can we change the mindset of others?

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                        • nuwagaba2@mastodon.socialN nuwagaba2@mastodon.social

                          @Bowreality
                          What do you think can open their eyes to see tge danger awaiting them?

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                          @nuwagaba2 In my experience nothing. Head in the sand is more convenient.

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                          • retech@defcon.socialR retech@defcon.social

                            @nuwagaba2 Never give a corporation your real information. Use a cellphone (if you must) with grapheneOS. Doublehop vpn for everything. Rotate your mac address. Use a single use email for every account you have, and make up a name for every account that's not gov't required to have your real name. Never use your address whenever possible. No subscription services. No images or real names online, ever. 30+ char unique password for everything. No voicemail.

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                            @retech
                            Thanks so much for sharing such a valuable information. It will save a lot of people's privacy if their willing. Unfortunately, I use my real names in many accounts I create but luckily, that's the only real information I have ever given to corporations. Am I still safe there?

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                            • bowreality@mastodon.socialB bowreality@mastodon.social

                              @nuwagaba2 In my experience nothing. Head in the sand is more convenient.

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                              @Bowreality
                              That's so terrible. We can try our best by informing those who are willing to be informed and save those who are willing to be saved . What do you say about that?

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                              • datterich@darmstadt.socialD datterich@darmstadt.social

                                @Em0nM4stodon

                                > "It is an act of self-protection but,
                                perhaps even more importantly,
                                it is also an act of protest."

                                It is also our democratic duty to protect those who can't fight for themselves, who are in a minority and as such in an inferior position to defend themselves against attacks aiming at their human rights or personal privacy.

                                It's a duty of the majority to protect minorities - because, in a democracy, majorities change...

                                @catsalad

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                                @Datterich
                                I really like your point of protecting those who can't protect themselves. But we need to first, are those people ready and willing to be protected?

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                                • ratel@mastodon.socialR ratel@mastodon.social

                                  @nakdim @Em0nM4stodon I'm afraid the one and only realistic alternative is to stop looking for alternatives. In other words, instead of trying to do what they already do but in a different way and with different tools, one should first question whether their "needs" are actual needs or simply preferences they're reluctant to leave behind.

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                                  @ratel @nakdim @Em0nM4stodon so much this.

                                  Evolve.

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                                  • nuwagaba2@mastodon.socialN nuwagaba2@mastodon.social

                                    @ratel
                                    That's right. How can we change the mindset of others?

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                                    @nuwagaba2 Honestly I don't know. I already have a hard time trying to educate my kids on these topics and explaining my family why this is important. Did smartphones really improve our lives ? Haven't social media (in other words: having a profile and letting everyone knows who you're talking to) taken away from us some sense of anonymity and fun ? Do we really need to listen to music online ? An email, an old phone , a computer, a web browser โ€“ that should do the job.

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                                    • nuwagaba2@mastodon.socialN nuwagaba2@mastodon.social

                                      @retech
                                      Thanks so much for sharing such a valuable information. It will save a lot of people's privacy if their willing. Unfortunately, I use my real names in many accounts I create but luckily, that's the only real information I have ever given to corporations. Am I still safe there?

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                                      @nuwagaba2 @retech might be wotlrth changing the names on the accounts before deleting them.

                                      Longer names than your own so it overwrites the database.

                                      Just to be safer.

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                                      • ratel@mastodon.socialR ratel@mastodon.social

                                        @nuwagaba2 Honestly I don't know. I already have a hard time trying to educate my kids on these topics and explaining my family why this is important. Did smartphones really improve our lives ? Haven't social media (in other words: having a profile and letting everyone knows who you're talking to) taken away from us some sense of anonymity and fun ? Do we really need to listen to music online ? An email, an old phone , a computer, a web browser โ€“ that should do the job.

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                                        @ratel
                                        We're already in their trap and hence we need ro find our way out. The challenge is not only on your kids but also on over 80% of the people whi have strong confidence and pride in smartphones for changing their lives . It would have been easy to liberate the people if they knew about the trap they drove themselves in. Have you ever thought of how to protect your children from that?

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                                        • knowprose@mastodon.socialK knowprose@mastodon.social

                                          @ratel @nakdim @Em0nM4stodon so much this.

                                          Evolve.

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                                          @knowprose @nakdim @Em0nM4stodon Yup. We basically need what already existed in the late 90s, and we can now use it even more cautiously. We don't even need new fancy devices. We don't need all this social, community bullshit, we don't need new concepts either. We don't need TEDx or NYT best-sellers. Fuck Meta X Microshit and all but also fuck all these assholes that are always looking for some not-so-new idea to print their name onto in order to sell it.

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