It is 222 A.D.
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It is 222 A.D. You are the transgender Empress Elagabalus, "call me not a man for I am a woman". Transitioning is new and experimental.
It is 1776. You are "Public Universal Friend", a transmasculine Quaker. Transitioning is new and experimental.
It is 1906. You are Karl M. Baer, a trans man undergoing sex reassignment. Transitioning is new and experimental.
It is 1930. You are Lili Elbe. Transitioning is new and experimental. (to be fair you did get a uterus transplant.)
It is 1966. You are in Compton's Cafeteria with a bunch of other trans people when the owners call the cops to throw you all out. You riot. Transitioning is new and experimental.
It is 1969. You are Marsha "pay it no mind" Johnson. You are in a mob-run gay bar when the cops attack. You throw a brick. There is a bit of a scuffle. Transitioning is new and experimental.
It is 2026. You are a transgender adult or child listening to the NYT and British Guardian claim this is the first generation anyone has tried transitioning in. Transitioning is new and experimental.
it is 1990. a TERF comes out with a book describing India's hijra as "effeminate, third-gendered homosexual men." that book conveniently ignores the fact that some hijra take DIY hormones and actively campaign for recognition as women, because transitioning is new and experimental.
it is 2014. the Indian Supreme Court rules that all hijra are third-gendered, neither male nor female, citing said TERF as evidence for their decision. recognizing any hijra as women would, supposedly, violate their Constitutional rights. after all, transitioning is new and experimental.
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It is 222 A.D. You are the transgender Empress Elagabalus, "call me not a man for I am a woman". Transitioning is new and experimental.
It is 1776. You are "Public Universal Friend", a transmasculine Quaker. Transitioning is new and experimental.
It is 1906. You are Karl M. Baer, a trans man undergoing sex reassignment. Transitioning is new and experimental.
It is 1930. You are Lili Elbe. Transitioning is new and experimental. (to be fair you did get a uterus transplant.)
It is 1966. You are in Compton's Cafeteria with a bunch of other trans people when the owners call the cops to throw you all out. You riot. Transitioning is new and experimental.
It is 1969. You are Marsha "pay it no mind" Johnson. You are in a mob-run gay bar when the cops attack. You throw a brick. There is a bit of a scuffle. Transitioning is new and experimental.
It is 2026. You are a transgender adult or child listening to the NYT and British Guardian claim this is the first generation anyone has tried transitioning in. Transitioning is new and experimental.
@CharlotteEowyn I was reading this whilst opening a Brooklyn Brewery "The Stonewall Inn IPA".
It is neither new nor experimental.
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It is 222 A.D. You are the transgender Empress Elagabalus, "call me not a man for I am a woman". Transitioning is new and experimental.
It is 1776. You are "Public Universal Friend", a transmasculine Quaker. Transitioning is new and experimental.
It is 1906. You are Karl M. Baer, a trans man undergoing sex reassignment. Transitioning is new and experimental.
It is 1930. You are Lili Elbe. Transitioning is new and experimental. (to be fair you did get a uterus transplant.)
It is 1966. You are in Compton's Cafeteria with a bunch of other trans people when the owners call the cops to throw you all out. You riot. Transitioning is new and experimental.
It is 1969. You are Marsha "pay it no mind" Johnson. You are in a mob-run gay bar when the cops attack. You throw a brick. There is a bit of a scuffle. Transitioning is new and experimental.
It is 2026. You are a transgender adult or child listening to the NYT and British Guardian claim this is the first generation anyone has tried transitioning in. Transitioning is new and experimental.
Marcus Aurelius Antoninus was not a transgender woman.
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Marcus Aurelius Antoninus was not a transgender woman.
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@floralia The association with the enarei alone would be more than sufficient for me...
But here's a history video.
Anyways I have too many comments on this to debate it; but I generally take the perspective that if someone says to call them a lady... I'm going to go ahead and do it. I also don't believe in erasing transgender history.
In fact I might go the other way: prove to me that any given person isn't queer. It's just as valid.
If you want to be a strict historian you can probably make a strong argument that the answer is maybe:
But there's a lot of very relatable very specific stuff in her story that sounds very trans.
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@floralia The association with the enarei alone would be more than sufficient for me...
But here's a history video.
Anyways I have too many comments on this to debate it; but I generally take the perspective that if someone says to call them a lady... I'm going to go ahead and do it. I also don't believe in erasing transgender history.
In fact I might go the other way: prove to me that any given person isn't queer. It's just as valid.
If you want to be a strict historian you can probably make a strong argument that the answer is maybe:
But there's a lot of very relatable very specific stuff in her story that sounds very trans.
@floralia and if that's not convincing enough:
Read that. Are you a trans person? I assume so. Seriously read it.
"She would ask philosophers and men of the greatest dignity whether or not they and their youth had experienced what she was experiencing."
And then read the very specific accounts that sound very very relatable to this day.
There were a lot of ways you could slander someone back then. I absolutely doubt they would slander them with very specific accounts that sound a lot like 90% of the trans women I've ever met.
I too spend most of my life wondering if anyone ever felt like I did.
So no she was trans. How many of us have been erased from history?
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@CharlotteEowyn No fuck you.
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@floralia The association with the enarei alone would be more than sufficient for me...
But here's a history video.
Anyways I have too many comments on this to debate it; but I generally take the perspective that if someone says to call them a lady... I'm going to go ahead and do it. I also don't believe in erasing transgender history.
In fact I might go the other way: prove to me that any given person isn't queer. It's just as valid.
If you want to be a strict historian you can probably make a strong argument that the answer is maybe:
But there's a lot of very relatable very specific stuff in her story that sounds very trans.
@CharlotteEowyn Cassius Deo was allies with the guy who fucking killed him. Fuck your revisionist bullshit.
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@floralia and if that's not convincing enough:
Read that. Are you a trans person? I assume so. Seriously read it.
"She would ask philosophers and men of the greatest dignity whether or not they and their youth had experienced what she was experiencing."
And then read the very specific accounts that sound very very relatable to this day.
There were a lot of ways you could slander someone back then. I absolutely doubt they would slander them with very specific accounts that sound a lot like 90% of the trans women I've ever met.
I too spend most of my life wondering if anyone ever felt like I did.
So no she was trans. How many of us have been erased from history?
@CharlotteEowyn Trans Hotep.
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@cygnathreadbare @CharlotteEowyn Ah, excellent, I was going to bring up Antonio de Erauso if no one else had. I went to the library looking for books about Basques, and this fascinating life story was what I found.
@jendefer @CharlotteEowyn I discovered him through less formal means: the game Uncharted Waters: New Horizons included "Catalina de Erantzo" among the 6 playable characters, a woman who steals a ship from the spanish navy to look for her fiancee and her brother who died in a Portuguese attack. I always picked her and one day I googled if she was based on a real person and.. kinda, the game's character is an alternate (and a bit less ruthless) cisfem version of him.
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It is 222 A.D. You are the transgender Empress Elagabalus, "call me not a man for I am a woman". Transitioning is new and experimental.
It is 1776. You are "Public Universal Friend", a transmasculine Quaker. Transitioning is new and experimental.
It is 1906. You are Karl M. Baer, a trans man undergoing sex reassignment. Transitioning is new and experimental.
It is 1930. You are Lili Elbe. Transitioning is new and experimental. (to be fair you did get a uterus transplant.)
It is 1966. You are in Compton's Cafeteria with a bunch of other trans people when the owners call the cops to throw you all out. You riot. Transitioning is new and experimental.
It is 1969. You are Marsha "pay it no mind" Johnson. You are in a mob-run gay bar when the cops attack. You throw a brick. There is a bit of a scuffle. Transitioning is new and experimental.
It is 2026. You are a transgender adult or child listening to the NYT and British Guardian claim this is the first generation anyone has tried transitioning in. Transitioning is new and experimental.
Some other great trans men of history:
It is 1960. You are Michael Dillon/Lobzang Jivaka, a doctor in the British Navy turned Tibetan Buddhist monk. You were the first trans man to undergo phalloplasty, and among the first trans Westerners to be ordained by a Buddhist monastery. Transitioning is new and experimental.
It is 1991. You are Lou Sullivan. You spent years campaigning on behalf of gay trans people, after being denied gender-affirming care on the basis of your homosexuality. You founded what would become the longest-running FTM group in the world. You are the first reported trans man to have AIDS. Your work will ultimately normalize trans homosexuality. Transitioning is new and experimental.
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@sleepfreeparent her uncle also sexually assaulted her when she turned down his advances, and then he stripped her title and property, took her across a mountain chain to another city, threw her in the quarter for lepers and eunuchs, tossed a ritual castration knife at her, and told her "this suits you" whereupon she went on to found/revitalize an almost dead religion based around gender bending and queerness.
When she wrote her poetry writing as a concept was only about 200 years old, and the Epic of Gilgamesh wouldn't be finalized for over 1200 years.
You know, the sort of normal shit "cis" people do and experience, right?
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It is 222 A.D. You are the transgender Empress Elagabalus, "call me not a man for I am a woman". Transitioning is new and experimental.
It is 1776. You are "Public Universal Friend", a transmasculine Quaker. Transitioning is new and experimental.
It is 1906. You are Karl M. Baer, a trans man undergoing sex reassignment. Transitioning is new and experimental.
It is 1930. You are Lili Elbe. Transitioning is new and experimental. (to be fair you did get a uterus transplant.)
It is 1966. You are in Compton's Cafeteria with a bunch of other trans people when the owners call the cops to throw you all out. You riot. Transitioning is new and experimental.
It is 1969. You are Marsha "pay it no mind" Johnson. You are in a mob-run gay bar when the cops attack. You throw a brick. There is a bit of a scuffle. Transitioning is new and experimental.
It is 2026. You are a transgender adult or child listening to the NYT and British Guardian claim this is the first generation anyone has tried transitioning in. Transitioning is new and experimental.
After what I seen recently in a medievalist conference, transgenre was accepted even by catholic church (that wrote most of the text we still have today in Western Europe) in medieval time. Lot of church sculptures, text and illustrated books of this time speak about transgenre or two hermaphrodite people. Sometimes as a standard habit in very far countries, and genre was not really defined. Church accepted transgenre at the condition, people choose one sex it feel s-he is. That's probably not perfect to still dictate rules about it (church is church), but still far less bad that what we are all witness of, at least since 19th century.
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@lda I usually assume transmasculine means 'towards masculinity' and not maleness, and transfemininity means 'towards femininity' and not femaleness. They can include those things, but are not necessarily those things.
So like, when I identified as she/her I was transfeminine. I now use they/she and I'm still transfeminine. Someone whose's nonbinary would still fall under the umbrella of their community, I assume.
Like everyone is different, not everyone will define it that way, but I wanted to call out it wasn't just trans women.
@CharlotteEowyn
I can chime in! I'm a gender but also refer to myself as transmasculine - to me it's a descriptor of the direction I'm going/the medical and social changes I have and am making - not necessarily an identity label, but a descriptor of a series of actions
Obviously different for everyone, and I know lots of NBs that don't like to refer to the "direction" they're transitioning,, but that's my 2 cents.
@lda
