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  • masek@infosec.exchangeM masek@infosec.exchange

    Valve massively raised the prices for the Steam Deck:

    • 1TB OLED $649 -> $949
    • 512GB OLED $549 -> $789

    The items are out of stock nonetheless.

    Get used to the pattern: The unavailable hardware will become unaffordable

    The supply chains will die, then the accessory industry will follow. Companies like FixIt may prosper as the PC has now to last a decade.

    What remains of the industry will be handed over to China on a silver platter.

    #gaming as we knew it is dead. Hope the software devs (or their AI agent) got the memo that their games have to run fine on older hardware.

    grutzifix@fedifreu.deG This user is from outside of this forum
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    grutzifix@fedifreu.de
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    #4

    @masek
    I hope the AI bubble will burst sooner than later.

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    • masek@infosec.exchangeM masek@infosec.exchange

      Valve massively raised the prices for the Steam Deck:

      • 1TB OLED $649 -> $949
      • 512GB OLED $549 -> $789

      The items are out of stock nonetheless.

      Get used to the pattern: The unavailable hardware will become unaffordable

      The supply chains will die, then the accessory industry will follow. Companies like FixIt may prosper as the PC has now to last a decade.

      What remains of the industry will be handed over to China on a silver platter.

      #gaming as we knew it is dead. Hope the software devs (or their AI agent) got the memo that their games have to run fine on older hardware.

      ravetracer_22@phpc.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
      ravetracer_22@phpc.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
      ravetracer_22@phpc.social
      wrote last edited by
      #5

      @masek Maybe the time has come where developers start to write optimized code again as it was with hardware limitations back in the 90s. Lot's of them got lazy with every new drop of RAM and CPU prizes in the last years. They had power and memory without limits and it was cheap. This could be the end of overpowered engines like Unreal Engine and Unity and the revival of custom made engines specialized and optimized for specific tasks.

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      • grutzifix@fedifreu.deG grutzifix@fedifreu.de

        @masek
        I hope the AI bubble will burst sooner than later.

        masek@infosec.exchangeM This user is from outside of this forum
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        masek@infosec.exchange
        wrote last edited by
        #6

        @grutzifix It does not matter anymore. If it were to burst this afternoon, the damage is already done.

        It's like the crash you're helplessly forced to watch happen.

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        • ravetracer_22@phpc.socialR ravetracer_22@phpc.social

          @masek Maybe the time has come where developers start to write optimized code again as it was with hardware limitations back in the 90s. Lot's of them got lazy with every new drop of RAM and CPU prizes in the last years. They had power and memory without limits and it was cheap. This could be the end of overpowered engines like Unreal Engine and Unity and the revival of custom made engines specialized and optimized for specific tasks.

          masek@infosec.exchangeM This user is from outside of this forum
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          masek@infosec.exchange
          wrote last edited by
          #7

          @ravetracer_22 I think that will become an important discipline again. At least for those software devs who will survive.

          ravetracer_22@phpc.socialR lazyb0y@mastodon.socialL 2 Replies Last reply
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          • robbes0211@nrw.socialR robbes0211@nrw.social

            @masek get ready for chinese GPUs because AMD and Ngreedia said goodbye to PC gaming
            https://uk.pcmag.com/graphics-cards/165114/china-just-made-a-gpu-thats-powerful-enough-for-gaming-but-theres-a-catch

            masek@infosec.exchangeM This user is from outside of this forum
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            masek@infosec.exchange
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            #8

            @Robbes0211 As I said "silver platter"

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            • masek@infosec.exchangeM masek@infosec.exchange

              @ravetracer_22 I think that will become an important discipline again. At least for those software devs who will survive.

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              ravetracer_22@phpc.social
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              @masek If only GameDevs would code like the guys from "Farbrausch" 😉

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              • ravetracer_22@phpc.socialR ravetracer_22@phpc.social

                @masek If only GameDevs would code like the guys from "Farbrausch" 😉

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                #10

                @masek For example: I'm playing "Enshrouded" since some weeks now and learned, that the developers wrote their own engine for the game which does the tasks especially for the game instead of using a full fledged available engine with features they might not need. The entry hardware requirements for big available engines are already very high.

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                • ravetracer_22@phpc.socialR ravetracer_22@phpc.social

                  @masek For example: I'm playing "Enshrouded" since some weeks now and learned, that the developers wrote their own engine for the game which does the tasks especially for the game instead of using a full fledged available engine with features they might not need. The entry hardware requirements for big available engines are already very high.

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                  masek@infosec.exchange
                  wrote last edited by
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                  @ravetracer_22 This will be sequence:

                  1. Component crisis: supply chains for some components fail (we're right here)
                  2. Hardware crisis: all supply chains crash
                  3. Accessory crisis: the followup-business will fail and crash
                  4. Software crisis: the software released does not match the available hardware
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                  • masek@infosec.exchangeM masek@infosec.exchange

                    Valve massively raised the prices for the Steam Deck:

                    • 1TB OLED $649 -> $949
                    • 512GB OLED $549 -> $789

                    The items are out of stock nonetheless.

                    Get used to the pattern: The unavailable hardware will become unaffordable

                    The supply chains will die, then the accessory industry will follow. Companies like FixIt may prosper as the PC has now to last a decade.

                    What remains of the industry will be handed over to China on a silver platter.

                    #gaming as we knew it is dead. Hope the software devs (or their AI agent) got the memo that their games have to run fine on older hardware.

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                    #12

                    @masek all that can be done now is support indies, pirate Amazon and Microsoft and avoid Nvidia.

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                    • masek@infosec.exchangeM masek@infosec.exchange

                      Valve massively raised the prices for the Steam Deck:

                      • 1TB OLED $649 -> $949
                      • 512GB OLED $549 -> $789

                      The items are out of stock nonetheless.

                      Get used to the pattern: The unavailable hardware will become unaffordable

                      The supply chains will die, then the accessory industry will follow. Companies like FixIt may prosper as the PC has now to last a decade.

                      What remains of the industry will be handed over to China on a silver platter.

                      #gaming as we knew it is dead. Hope the software devs (or their AI agent) got the memo that their games have to run fine on older hardware.

                      leberschnitzel@existiert.chL This user is from outside of this forum
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                      leberschnitzel@existiert.ch
                      wrote last edited by
                      #13

                      @masek I disagree strongly with the "gaming is dead" part.
                      Indy games that run on shitty hardware will persist, simply because they also can't afford better hardware to develop on.
                      AAA gaming is dead. Or will force you to use streaming services.
                      For me personally most AAA developers / publishers are already on a "no buy" list, so it's not really a change.

                      masek@infosec.exchangeM ofeeg@cyberpunk.lolO 2 Replies Last reply
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                      • masek@infosec.exchangeM masek@infosec.exchange

                        Valve massively raised the prices for the Steam Deck:

                        • 1TB OLED $649 -> $949
                        • 512GB OLED $549 -> $789

                        The items are out of stock nonetheless.

                        Get used to the pattern: The unavailable hardware will become unaffordable

                        The supply chains will die, then the accessory industry will follow. Companies like FixIt may prosper as the PC has now to last a decade.

                        What remains of the industry will be handed over to China on a silver platter.

                        #gaming as we knew it is dead. Hope the software devs (or their AI agent) got the memo that their games have to run fine on older hardware.

                        ascii158@sueden.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                        ascii158@sueden.social
                        wrote last edited by
                        #14

                        @masek I found a Wii with a stack of games on the curb a few weeks ago. Gaming has never been so alive 😄

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                        • leberschnitzel@existiert.chL leberschnitzel@existiert.ch

                          @masek I disagree strongly with the "gaming is dead" part.
                          Indy games that run on shitty hardware will persist, simply because they also can't afford better hardware to develop on.
                          AAA gaming is dead. Or will force you to use streaming services.
                          For me personally most AAA developers / publishers are already on a "no buy" list, so it's not really a change.

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                          masek@infosec.exchange
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                          @leberschnitzel I didn't say that.

                          I said "gaming as we knew it" is dead. Gaming as a whole will always exist.

                          But the cycle of permanent renewed, always more powerful hardware is broken and will (by my estimate) not come back.

                          This will drastically change things. Gaming will still exist, but for most players it will look different.

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                          • masek@infosec.exchangeM masek@infosec.exchange

                            Valve massively raised the prices for the Steam Deck:

                            • 1TB OLED $649 -> $949
                            • 512GB OLED $549 -> $789

                            The items are out of stock nonetheless.

                            Get used to the pattern: The unavailable hardware will become unaffordable

                            The supply chains will die, then the accessory industry will follow. Companies like FixIt may prosper as the PC has now to last a decade.

                            What remains of the industry will be handed over to China on a silver platter.

                            #gaming as we knew it is dead. Hope the software devs (or their AI agent) got the memo that their games have to run fine on older hardware.

                            andre123@snowfan.itA This user is from outside of this forum
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                            andre123@snowfan.it
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                            @masek

                            Yep, as the situation is worsening and prices will remain high at least for a couple of years , if not for the next decade (depends on the future of AI industry ), developers should think to create games (and software) that can run fine even on older hw.

                            I don't think the vast majority of people can justify spending large amounts of money for gaming....or in order to run local AI etc.

                            And Windslop (Nadella) plan to gradually make Windows12 a thin client platform, just to subscribe to their Office and AI / Cloud services....
                            Thanks Lord I use Linux....

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                            • grutzifix@fedifreu.deG grutzifix@fedifreu.de

                              @masek
                              I hope the AI bubble will burst sooner than later.

                              manawyrm@chaos.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #17

                              @grutzifix @masek go watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyQwAhppWj8 (or at least the first half hour or so)

                              The industry is dying. There will be nothing left at the end.

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                              • andre123@snowfan.itA andre123@snowfan.it

                                @masek

                                Yep, as the situation is worsening and prices will remain high at least for a couple of years , if not for the next decade (depends on the future of AI industry ), developers should think to create games (and software) that can run fine even on older hw.

                                I don't think the vast majority of people can justify spending large amounts of money for gaming....or in order to run local AI etc.

                                And Windslop (Nadella) plan to gradually make Windows12 a thin client platform, just to subscribe to their Office and AI / Cloud services....
                                Thanks Lord I use Linux....

                                masek@infosec.exchangeM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                masek@infosec.exchange
                                wrote last edited by
                                #18

                                @andre123 There will be no more market for Gaming PCs at home. The manufacturers will die or pivot to other markets. Software Devs will write for Cloud and Service platforms. What remains of the market will be very small...

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                                • masek@infosec.exchangeM masek@infosec.exchange

                                  @andre123 There will be no more market for Gaming PCs at home. The manufacturers will die or pivot to other markets. Software Devs will write for Cloud and Service platforms. What remains of the market will be very small...

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                                  @masek

                                  It may be, indeed !
                                  I didn't think about this outcome, and I really don't like the idea of all computing , including gaming, in the cloud 😐

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                                  • masek@infosec.exchangeM masek@infosec.exchange

                                    Valve massively raised the prices for the Steam Deck:

                                    • 1TB OLED $649 -> $949
                                    • 512GB OLED $549 -> $789

                                    The items are out of stock nonetheless.

                                    Get used to the pattern: The unavailable hardware will become unaffordable

                                    The supply chains will die, then the accessory industry will follow. Companies like FixIt may prosper as the PC has now to last a decade.

                                    What remains of the industry will be handed over to China on a silver platter.

                                    #gaming as we knew it is dead. Hope the software devs (or their AI agent) got the memo that their games have to run fine on older hardware.

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                                    alpacamale@social.cologne
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                                    @masek Honestly, I would be fine with a sequel to Super Mario 64.

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                                    • masek@infosec.exchangeM masek@infosec.exchange

                                      @ravetracer_22 This will be sequence:

                                      1. Component crisis: supply chains for some components fail (we're right here)
                                      2. Hardware crisis: all supply chains crash
                                      3. Accessory crisis: the followup-business will fail and crash
                                      4. Software crisis: the software released does not match the available hardware
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                                      emilis@social.linux.pizza
                                      wrote last edited by
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                                      @masek @ravetracer_22 I've been thinking about similar scenarios for some time.

                                      We could do with old hardware for some time (I have a 17 year old laptop that is working and OK), except for the HDDs/SSDs.

                                      I found no options in the consumer market that would last 10 years without significant data loss.

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                                      • emilis@social.linux.pizzaE emilis@social.linux.pizza

                                        @masek @ravetracer_22 I've been thinking about similar scenarios for some time.

                                        We could do with old hardware for some time (I have a 17 year old laptop that is working and OK), except for the HDDs/SSDs.

                                        I found no options in the consumer market that would last 10 years without significant data loss.

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                                        masek@infosec.exchange
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                                        #22

                                        @emilis @ravetracer_22 We're heading into "interesting times".

                                        I foresee a market (in 10 years), where you pay per minute. Current AAA games cost $5 per hour, old titles a few cents.

                                        Your console is a stupid terminal that gets the game streamed from a datacenter. It may even be just an app in your TV.

                                        There will be some people playing old games on old or self-built hardware. Those will be looked upon with suspicion.

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                                        • masek@infosec.exchangeM masek@infosec.exchange

                                          @ravetracer_22 I think that will become an important discipline again. At least for those software devs who will survive.

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                                          lazyb0y@mastodon.social
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                                          @masek

                                          ha we gonna burn AI tokens to make software that uses less energy because we can’t afford more powerful hardware as its all hoarded by AI companies…

                                          @ravetracer_22

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