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  3. Semi serious question, (please do not ask "AI") I can do web searches just fine so please answer from your own experience:

Semi serious question, (please do not ask "AI") I can do web searches just fine so please answer from your own experience:

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  • afreytes@mastodon.gamedev.placeA This user is from outside of this forum
    afreytes@mastodon.gamedev.placeA This user is from outside of this forum
    afreytes@mastodon.gamedev.place
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    #9

    @nuintari NP, have an excellent weekend!

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    • afreytes@mastodon.gamedev.placeA afreytes@mastodon.gamedev.place

      @nuintari Not really what I'm looking for, but thanks.

      nuintari@mastodon.bsd.cafeN This user is from outside of this forum
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      #10

      @afreytes Guess I didnt understand the question, sorry.

      Maybe TLAs and FLAs? English is FULL of them.

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      • afreytes@mastodon.gamedev.placeA afreytes@mastodon.gamedev.place

        Semi serious question, (please do not ask "AI") I can do web searches just fine so please answer from your own experience:

        In English, you have "four letter words", these words have four letters but are perhaps not to be used in polite communication.

        In OTHER languages: Are there any other "group of words constrained by arbitrary rules"?

        Does NOT have to be an offensive group of words, but more like a grouping outside the traditional language syntax.

        #AskFedi

        (no answer? please boost)

        blogdiva@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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        #11

        not en español. it’s one of those anglicismos i have yet to find a proper way to translate.

        @afreytes

        josemachete79@mastodon.socialJ adriano@lile.clA 2 Replies Last reply
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        • afreytes@mastodon.gamedev.placeA afreytes@mastodon.gamedev.place

          Semi serious question, (please do not ask "AI") I can do web searches just fine so please answer from your own experience:

          In English, you have "four letter words", these words have four letters but are perhaps not to be used in polite communication.

          In OTHER languages: Are there any other "group of words constrained by arbitrary rules"?

          Does NOT have to be an offensive group of words, but more like a grouping outside the traditional language syntax.

          #AskFedi

          (no answer? please boost)

          screwturn@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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          #12

          @afreytes
          Nothing similar in Afrikaans

          all the English four-letter naughty words translate into different length words, and I can't think of any kind of clustering that would tie a large number of naughty words together

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          • afreytes@mastodon.gamedev.placeA afreytes@mastodon.gamedev.place

            Semi serious question, (please do not ask "AI") I can do web searches just fine so please answer from your own experience:

            In English, you have "four letter words", these words have four letters but are perhaps not to be used in polite communication.

            In OTHER languages: Are there any other "group of words constrained by arbitrary rules"?

            Does NOT have to be an offensive group of words, but more like a grouping outside the traditional language syntax.

            #AskFedi

            (no answer? please boost)

            gbargoud@masto.nycG This user is from outside of this forum
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            #13

            @afreytes

            Don't know of any similar arbitrary grouping in French or Arabic.

            Similarly I wonder what other languages do about "teenagers", do they just say "adolescents" or do they also have an arbitrary group of ages based on prefixes or suffixes?

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            • afreytes@mastodon.gamedev.placeA afreytes@mastodon.gamedev.place

              Semi serious question, (please do not ask "AI") I can do web searches just fine so please answer from your own experience:

              In English, you have "four letter words", these words have four letters but are perhaps not to be used in polite communication.

              In OTHER languages: Are there any other "group of words constrained by arbitrary rules"?

              Does NOT have to be an offensive group of words, but more like a grouping outside the traditional language syntax.

              #AskFedi

              (no answer? please boost)

              hakona@im.alstadheim.noH This user is from outside of this forum
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              #14

              @afreytes Norwegian: No arbitrary description like "Four Letter Word". There are descriptive words for the group, that would be like "cuss-words" "power-expressions" "unpolished language".

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              • afreytes@mastodon.gamedev.placeA afreytes@mastodon.gamedev.place

                Semi serious question, (please do not ask "AI") I can do web searches just fine so please answer from your own experience:

                In English, you have "four letter words", these words have four letters but are perhaps not to be used in polite communication.

                In OTHER languages: Are there any other "group of words constrained by arbitrary rules"?

                Does NOT have to be an offensive group of words, but more like a grouping outside the traditional language syntax.

                #AskFedi

                (no answer? please boost)

                greenskyoverme@ohai.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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                greenskyoverme@ohai.social
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                #15

                @afreytes No, we do not have n-letter words for expletives or something else in German

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                • afreytes@mastodon.gamedev.placeA afreytes@mastodon.gamedev.place

                  @davep please expand

                  davep@infosec.exchangeD This user is from outside of this forum
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                  davep@infosec.exchange
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                  #16

                  @afreytes Its just a grouping for tender words. Brain won't work at the moment 🤪

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                  • afreytes@mastodon.gamedev.placeA afreytes@mastodon.gamedev.place

                    Semi serious question, (please do not ask "AI") I can do web searches just fine so please answer from your own experience:

                    In English, you have "four letter words", these words have four letters but are perhaps not to be used in polite communication.

                    In OTHER languages: Are there any other "group of words constrained by arbitrary rules"?

                    Does NOT have to be an offensive group of words, but more like a grouping outside the traditional language syntax.

                    #AskFedi

                    (no answer? please boost)

                    afreytes@mastodon.gamedev.placeA This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #17

                    Some replies seem to answer the question as: What are "four letter words" called in your language?

                    And that is NOT necessarily what I am asking.

                    Imagine, that in your language, the informal names for mammals all had 6 letters and always ended in "mu". Dog is a dogymu and cat is katymu. And in your language they colloquially call this "The Mu Group".

                    Doesn't have to be a letter limit either, could be any arbitrary thing that isn't just "all the verbs", "all the adjectives", etc

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                    • blogdiva@mastodon.socialB blogdiva@mastodon.social

                      not en español. it’s one of those anglicismos i have yet to find a proper way to translate.

                      @afreytes

                      josemachete79@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #18

                      @blogdiva @afreytes eso pensaba yo ahora mismo, no encuentro ninguna aproximación lingüística a lo que Afreytes pregunta.

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                      • afreytes@mastodon.gamedev.placeA afreytes@mastodon.gamedev.place

                        Semi serious question, (please do not ask "AI") I can do web searches just fine so please answer from your own experience:

                        In English, you have "four letter words", these words have four letters but are perhaps not to be used in polite communication.

                        In OTHER languages: Are there any other "group of words constrained by arbitrary rules"?

                        Does NOT have to be an offensive group of words, but more like a grouping outside the traditional language syntax.

                        #AskFedi

                        (no answer? please boost)

                        sharonybaloney@alaskan.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @afreytes When I visited Sweden, the term fika (coffeebreak) was explained to me as a common linguistic flipperoo (co-fee became fee-ca) kinda like cockney rhyming slang standing in for the real words. But I’m not a Swedish speaker, and I wasn’t given any other examples. Can a Swedish speaker weigh in? Is there a name for this type of wordplay/category of words? Or was I misled and fika is a standalone?

                        afreytes@mastodon.gamedev.placeA goblinquester@dice.campG 2 Replies Last reply
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                        • afreytes@mastodon.gamedev.placeA afreytes@mastodon.gamedev.place

                          Some replies seem to answer the question as: What are "four letter words" called in your language?

                          And that is NOT necessarily what I am asking.

                          Imagine, that in your language, the informal names for mammals all had 6 letters and always ended in "mu". Dog is a dogymu and cat is katymu. And in your language they colloquially call this "The Mu Group".

                          Doesn't have to be a letter limit either, could be any arbitrary thing that isn't just "all the verbs", "all the adjectives", etc

                          jmopp@masto.aiJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @afreytes Would "the wh- words" count as this in English? It doesn't include all the interrogative adverbs, but it includes enough of them to demarcate the group in an informal way

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                          • sharonybaloney@alaskan.socialS sharonybaloney@alaskan.social

                            @afreytes When I visited Sweden, the term fika (coffeebreak) was explained to me as a common linguistic flipperoo (co-fee became fee-ca) kinda like cockney rhyming slang standing in for the real words. But I’m not a Swedish speaker, and I wasn’t given any other examples. Can a Swedish speaker weigh in? Is there a name for this type of wordplay/category of words? Or was I misled and fika is a standalone?

                            afreytes@mastodon.gamedev.placeA This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @Sharonybaloney oh I love this!!!

                            Know I want to know if this is a thing!! I want it to be a thing!

                            mxfraud@tabletop.socialM sharonybaloney@alaskan.socialS 2 Replies Last reply
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                            • jmopp@masto.aiJ jmopp@masto.ai

                              @afreytes Would "the wh- words" count as this in English? It doesn't include all the interrogative adverbs, but it includes enough of them to demarcate the group in an informal way

                              afreytes@mastodon.gamedev.placeA This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #22

                              @jmopp Yes, yes it would. But I want to know about languages other than English.

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                              • afreytes@mastodon.gamedev.placeA afreytes@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                @Sharonybaloney oh I love this!!!

                                Know I want to know if this is a thing!! I want it to be a thing!

                                mxfraud@tabletop.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @afreytes @Sharonybaloney there is the same in french, called verlan.

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                                • afreytes@mastodon.gamedev.placeA afreytes@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                  @Sharonybaloney oh I love this!!!

                                  Know I want to know if this is a thing!! I want it to be a thing!

                                  sharonybaloney@alaskan.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @afreytes I hope so too, or I’ll feel a bit foolish. But I also liked your question and could think of other arbitrary word groupings in English (eggcorns, nicknames (dick for richard?! Polly for Mary?!?! Definitely a particular Thing)) and wanted to follow to see what comes up. I feel your frustration trying to get past the dirty word association and into the arbitrariness and letter association of the groupings.

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                                  • mxfraud@tabletop.socialM mxfraud@tabletop.social

                                    @afreytes @Sharonybaloney there is the same in french, called verlan.

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                                    @mxfraud @afreytes Oh, yes, this is the kind of thing I meant!

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                                    • sharonybaloney@alaskan.socialS sharonybaloney@alaskan.social

                                      @afreytes When I visited Sweden, the term fika (coffeebreak) was explained to me as a common linguistic flipperoo (co-fee became fee-ca) kinda like cockney rhyming slang standing in for the real words. But I’m not a Swedish speaker, and I wasn’t given any other examples. Can a Swedish speaker weigh in? Is there a name for this type of wordplay/category of words? Or was I misled and fika is a standalone?

                                      goblinquester@dice.campG This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @Sharonybaloney @afreytes Yes it is one of the theories about the origin of the word, it said be started either among "jailbirds" in Stockholm in early 19th centurey (improbable) or more probable as a "leak" from a secret language amongst worker in a certain cultural region (they made many words by switch start and end) and propagated by pedlars around the country and becoming popular.
                                      The start word was kaffi, that was a dialect word for kaffe (coffee).

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                                      • goblinquester@dice.campG goblinquester@dice.camp

                                        @Sharonybaloney @afreytes Yes it is one of the theories about the origin of the word, it said be started either among "jailbirds" in Stockholm in early 19th centurey (improbable) or more probable as a "leak" from a secret language amongst worker in a certain cultural region (they made many words by switch start and end) and propagated by pedlars around the country and becoming popular.
                                        The start word was kaffi, that was a dialect word for kaffe (coffee).

                                        afreytes@mastodon.gamedev.placeA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @GoblinQuester @Sharonybaloney when you say "jailbirds" in quotes, what do you mean? Not arguing, just curious.

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                                        • afreytes@mastodon.gamedev.placeA afreytes@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                          @GoblinQuester @Sharonybaloney when you say "jailbirds" in quotes, what do you mean? Not arguing, just curious.

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                                          @afreytes @Sharonybaloney Criminals that was going in and out of a local jail in Stockholm. Small times career criminals that frequented that institution often.

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