drama!
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@benroyce I will use them occasionally but mostly I think the happy medium is hashtags. People can mute what they don't want to see without a poster having to meet the impossible demand of 100s of random users needs.
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>Magazines used to print gore
On the other hand, when you picked up Life, you were at home or a waiting room, expecting certain content, and engaged enough that jumping over a fold was expected.
It was not "birthday photo, puppies, corpse rotting on a street, cat photo, a flower arrangement".
Also the people post-WW2 were desensitized to gore due to the war. Meanwhile they thought the Voyager plate (without female genitalia) was pornographic.
"corpse rotting on a street"
anyone who posts that without a CW needs to be banned
but we're not talking about that
we're talking about absurd demands for CW on content that is not gore or porn
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Sure.
I was reflecting how the context is different when reporting of Vietnam War in a contempory magazine, compared to a Mastodon feed of your average person.
You can't say "if this, then that" as context of the picture is different. If you picked a magazine that had a picture report on a war, you expect certain level of.. inhumanity. The CW was the magazine cover.
If you browse Trending on Mastodon, you're certainly not expecting to see corpses.
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@ApostateEnglishman @benroyce @ignova @crow
This is something I've always remarked on Mastodon.
Each one of us has the power to curate our own timelines to our needs. I've had extensive muted word lists in the past when I was feeling particularly sensitive.
Only thing I didn't like was when people skirted around words, so the muting didn't work (example: saying "Orange Turd" instead of "Donald Trump", or not clarifying anywhere).
I still didn't go around telling people what to post.
I have a cat filter and a caturday filter.
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drama!
i need to rant about #ContentWarning creep
i posted once of a Ukrainian reporter whose corpse was abused by Russia. i got calls for #CW. no pictures, no text details, just a link to a story
i suspect some CW calls are a manipulation to hide fascist abuse
certainly some are sincere
but they aren't serving a valid goal. an extreme level of sensitivity is absurd and unactionable
gore? absolutely CW
but some calls serve #fascism by hiding abuse. abuse we rightfully need to broadcast
@benroyce I think others have sort of traversed the other relevant points, but one I don’t see being talked about much is just how American-centric this way of thinking is. It assumes the poster and everybody on mastodon is American (or that American issues are the most important thing to every single user)
In the post you’re refencing, it’s about a kid being assaulted by a cop, with a picture of the assault included. Your reasoning is that it’s too important to CW because fascism is so dangerous. Which is true for you because you’re American, and this is an American event. But what about literally the rest of the world.
For somebody looking at this from any other country who would have preferred a content warning, the message you’re trying to get out is not important enough (to them) to justify having a picture of a cop assaulting somebody shown to them without warning.
And I feel like (and in the case of Palestine, we’ve witnessed time and time again) that if people from a much less ‘important’ place try to raise awareness of atrocities by sharing uncomfortable news and images, they are often hidden, suspended and banned.
Personally, I do often engage and follow US pol, but I have a lot of friends there, as well as my partner so I have a stake in it. But it is because of what I described above that I -cannot- choose to explore mastodon without US pol on days I don’t feel up to seeing it, because of this America-centric mindset people have when posting.
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i do the same
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drama!
i need to rant about #ContentWarning creep
i posted once of a Ukrainian reporter whose corpse was abused by Russia. i got calls for #CW. no pictures, no text details, just a link to a story
i suspect some CW calls are a manipulation to hide fascist abuse
certainly some are sincere
but they aren't serving a valid goal. an extreme level of sensitivity is absurd and unactionable
gore? absolutely CW
but some calls serve #fascism by hiding abuse. abuse we rightfully need to broadcast
@benroyce +1 Ben - as a reader, if your posts trigger me I have the option to mute, block, or simply unfollow you.
I can also reach out to you and if you disagree you can mute, block, or unfollow.
Calling for CW is between two people, if someone is calling for a CW because it might trigger someone else that's a step too far.
That's why the fedi works - too much objectionable content and you slowly drop out of feeds, there's no algorithm boosting you because you are generating ad revenue by being provocative.
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can i argue with them? please?
@benroyce @mastodonmigration @crow my tactic adds a step inside a step for your sequence:
3a: make a [reasoned | trollish] response.
b: set a timer or alarm.
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@benroyce @mastodonmigration @crow my tactic adds a step inside a step for your sequence:
3a: make a [reasoned | trollish] response.
b: set a timer or alarm. at that time, block them.A cool social media protocol would let me set a handshake stage in the reply mechanism, allowing ‘when they submit a reply, reject it and notify them they’ve been blocked.’ So they’d burn energy on a reply and then be denied. Of course, some trolls & bots would set that on all their trolling. But that’d just mean each troll would self-block.
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@ApostateEnglishman @benroyce @ignova @crow
This is something I've always remarked on Mastodon.
Each one of us has the power to curate our own timelines to our needs. I've had extensive muted word lists in the past when I was feeling particularly sensitive.
Only thing I didn't like was when people skirted around words, so the muting didn't work (example: saying "Orange Turd" instead of "Donald Trump", or not clarifying anywhere).
I still didn't go around telling people what to post.
@fruitcakesareyum @ApostateEnglishman @benroyce @ignova @crow I don't understand this mastodon sub-etiquette. If you don't like how someone posts, you shouldn't follow them. That's on you.
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A cool social media protocol would let me set a handshake stage in the reply mechanism, allowing ‘when they submit a reply, reject it and notify them they’ve been blocked.’ So they’d burn energy on a reply and then be denied. Of course, some trolls & bots would set that on all their trolling. But that’d just mean each troll would self-block.
i never block
well if someone stalks me to start shit i'll block, but that's less than handful of accounts so far
i push and mock until they block me or i generate enough material to report them
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@benroyce +1 Ben - as a reader, if your posts trigger me I have the option to mute, block, or simply unfollow you.
I can also reach out to you and if you disagree you can mute, block, or unfollow.
Calling for CW is between two people, if someone is calling for a CW because it might trigger someone else that's a step too far.
That's why the fedi works - too much objectionable content and you slowly drop out of feeds, there's no algorithm boosting you because you are generating ad revenue by being provocative.
exactly
if it's gore or porn, report them if they don't CW
if it's anything else (apart from a few specific topics, like strobe effects that might impact people with seizure conditions), and someone demands you CW, you're just dealing with a controlling busybody who doesn't understand it is *their* job to curate *their* feed, not anyone else's job
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i never block
well if someone stalks me to start shit i'll block, but that's less than handful of accounts so far
i push and mock until they block me or i generate enough material to report them
@benroyce I respect that. And I have periods where I engage widely and deeply. But also what I said here:
D2 (@cascheranno@hachyderm.io)
@xgranade@wandering.shop brilliant, but even in taking this time to explain you’re still too kind. I go straight to ‘Life’s Too Short’: If I fucking don’t know someone, trust them, respect them, I have (checks population) [zero divided by 8.3 billion] fucks to give about **them**, let alone anything they might have to say. #LifesTooShort
Hachyderm.io (hachyderm.io)
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@fruitcakesareyum @ApostateEnglishman @benroyce @ignova @crow I don't understand this mastodon sub-etiquette. If you don't like how someone posts, you shouldn't follow them. That's on you.
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@benroyce I think others have sort of traversed the other relevant points, but one I don’t see being talked about much is just how American-centric this way of thinking is. It assumes the poster and everybody on mastodon is American (or that American issues are the most important thing to every single user)
In the post you’re refencing, it’s about a kid being assaulted by a cop, with a picture of the assault included. Your reasoning is that it’s too important to CW because fascism is so dangerous. Which is true for you because you’re American, and this is an American event. But what about literally the rest of the world.
For somebody looking at this from any other country who would have preferred a content warning, the message you’re trying to get out is not important enough (to them) to justify having a picture of a cop assaulting somebody shown to them without warning.
And I feel like (and in the case of Palestine, we’ve witnessed time and time again) that if people from a much less ‘important’ place try to raise awareness of atrocities by sharing uncomfortable news and images, they are often hidden, suspended and banned.
Personally, I do often engage and follow US pol, but I have a lot of friends there, as well as my partner so I have a stake in it. But it is because of what I described above that I -cannot- choose to explore mastodon without US pol on days I don’t feel up to seeing it, because of this America-centric mindset people have when posting.
if someone posts too much america-centric content for your liking, you need to unfollow/ mute/ block. or block certain servers that seem full of it
what other solution can there be to your complaint?
you can't expect people to CW content that isn't gore or porn
you *can* expect people to hashtag appropriately. but plenty won't and there's no mechanism to enforce that
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@fruitcakesareyum @ApostateEnglishman @benroyce @ignova @crow I don't understand this mastodon sub-etiquette. If you don't like how someone posts, you shouldn't follow them. That's on you.
@dkieffer @fruitcakesareyum @ApostateEnglishman @ignova @crow
the short answer is there is a "Fedi HOA"
controlling busybodies who go around and gatekeep other posters on contrived bullshit concerns to masturbate their ego
they aren't protecting the fediverse they are making it toxic and driving people away
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@benroyce I respect that. And I have periods where I engage widely and deeply. But also what I said here:
D2 (@cascheranno@hachyderm.io)
@xgranade@wandering.shop brilliant, but even in taking this time to explain you’re still too kind. I go straight to ‘Life’s Too Short’: If I fucking don’t know someone, trust them, respect them, I have (checks population) [zero divided by 8.3 billion] fucks to give about **them**, let alone anything they might have to say. #LifesTooShort
Hachyderm.io (hachyderm.io)
oh yeah, agreed. the behavior i am describing that i do i do not in any way represent as some model of behavior other people should follow. i'm just describing my own thing. "block, move on" is 100% appropriate
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@fruitcakesareyum @ApostateEnglishman @benroyce @ignova @crow I don't understand this mastodon sub-etiquette. If you don't like how someone posts, you shouldn't follow them. That's on you.
@dkieffer @fruitcakesareyum @ApostateEnglishman @benroyce @crow it takes a massive sense of entitlement to demand that everyone in the world alter their behaviour just for you, and your inability to cope. people are not entitled to free therapy from strangers.*
these discussions always generate nasty replies from people who try to use emotional blackmail to force everyone else to give them what they want. e.g. 'do this so i don't end up in the psych ward' maybe you have bigger problems that controlling my posts won't solve.
*this is leaving aside the fact that avoidance is not even good for mental health in the long run
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