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  • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

    Adults lose skills to AI; Children never build them. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-algorithmic-mind/202603/adults-lose-skills-to-ai-children-never-build-them

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    @cwebber and there it is: our education system has mostly been designed for compliance. It needs a redesign because humans will follow the incentives. We are not complicated that way. 🐒🍌 We need to incentivize critical thinking.

    Thankfully, compliance was never one of my parenting goals. Nor should it be anyone’s.

    Cooperation is a much better goal.

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    • koen_hufkens@mastodon.socialK koen_hufkens@mastodon.social

      @ai6yr @cwebber When mentoring students I often get the question - how do you figure things out so quickly.

      Then I tell them that I've been messing with hardware and software since I was in my early teens - and I made tons of (innocent) mistakes.

      When you get to be an adult you then know how to approach complex systems where you might not have this much margin.

      Much of it is heuristics. Offloading heuristics (despite biases) is a VERY BAD IDEA.

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      @koen_hufkens @ai6yr @cwebber experience: the collection of times when you went "oh, shit..." and filed it under "no, not doing that again, nope" for future reference.

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      • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

        Adults lose skills to AI; Children never build them. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-algorithmic-mind/202603/adults-lose-skills-to-ai-children-never-build-them

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        @cwebber oof yeah, Sam Altman’s dream, apparently

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        • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

          Adults lose skills to AI; Children never build them. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-algorithmic-mind/202603/adults-lose-skills-to-ai-children-never-build-them

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          @cwebber

          Anecdata: Asked a specifying question for my context of a presenter at an event. His answer: “I have set up an LLM to answer questions from these files at this url. Give it a try!”

          I did not and I will not.

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          • koen_hufkens@mastodon.socialK koen_hufkens@mastodon.social

            @ai6yr @cwebber When mentoring students I often get the question - how do you figure things out so quickly.

            Then I tell them that I've been messing with hardware and software since I was in my early teens - and I made tons of (innocent) mistakes.

            When you get to be an adult you then know how to approach complex systems where you might not have this much margin.

            Much of it is heuristics. Offloading heuristics (despite biases) is a VERY BAD IDEA.

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            @koen_hufkens @ai6yr @cwebber This is the good case scenario. The bad case scenario is https://circumstances.run/@agturcz/114568845841328174

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              @cwebber oof yeah, Sam Altman’s dream, apparently

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              • agturcz@circumstances.runA agturcz@circumstances.run

                @koen_hufkens @ai6yr @cwebber This is the good case scenario. The bad case scenario is https://circumstances.run/@agturcz/114568845841328174

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                @agturcz @koen_hufkens @cwebber lol

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                • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                  Adults lose skills to AI; Children never build them. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-algorithmic-mind/202603/adults-lose-skills-to-ai-children-never-build-them

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                  @cwebber More fodder for the top 1% wealthiest, to squeeze as much out of the masses as they can.

                  De Oppresso Liber

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                  • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                    Adults lose skills to AI; Children never build them. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-algorithmic-mind/202603/adults-lose-skills-to-ai-children-never-build-them

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                    @cwebber This is the downside of using AI, which gives us everything ready-made, so all mental effort becomes unnecessary, weakening our minds.

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                        • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                          Adults lose skills to AI; Children never build them. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-algorithmic-mind/202603/adults-lose-skills-to-ai-children-never-build-them

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                          @cwebber

                          developers who delegated coding to AI produced working code but failed conceptual understanding

                          I wish tech industry would have that sink in

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                            @cwebber

                            developers who delegated coding to AI produced working code but failed conceptual understanding

                            I wish tech industry would have that sink in

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                            @gytisrepecka @cwebber "working"

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                            • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                              Adults lose skills to AI; Children never build them. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-algorithmic-mind/202603/adults-lose-skills-to-ai-children-never-build-them

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                              @cwebber I have been developing Adverserial skills....

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                              • katls@ohai.socialK katls@ohai.social

                                @cwebber and there it is: our education system has mostly been designed for compliance. It needs a redesign because humans will follow the incentives. We are not complicated that way. 🐒🍌 We need to incentivize critical thinking.

                                Thankfully, compliance was never one of my parenting goals. Nor should it be anyone’s.

                                Cooperation is a much better goal.

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                                @KatLS @cwebber critical thinking is not something schools will ever teach, sadly. It's just not good for ruling/owning classes.

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                                • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                  Adults lose skills to AI; Children never build them. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-algorithmic-mind/202603/adults-lose-skills-to-ai-children-never-build-them

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                                  @cwebber I got round this by lacking skills in the first place. #Winning

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                                    @KatLS @cwebber critical thinking is not something schools will ever teach, sadly. It's just not good for ruling/owning classes.

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                                    @lizzard @KatLS @cwebber Many schools try. It’s not easy to teach critical thinking. My school certainly tried to teach me, but I was an awful student. I thankfully had a family who found ways to make sure I learned that, if nothing else.

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                                      @lizzard @KatLS @cwebber Many schools try. It’s not easy to teach critical thinking. My school certainly tried to teach me, but I was an awful student. I thankfully had a family who found ways to make sure I learned that, if nothing else.

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                                      @ClickyMcTicker @lizzard @KatLS @cwebber My AP English teacher had a unit on logical fallacies and how to detect them. The science teachers (especially at AP level) were pretty consistent at teaching how to approach problems critically and not just plug numbers into an equation. All of this in a bland, middle-class public (USA) high school that spent way too much on football and not enough on teachers. Then again, that was also almost 40 years ago.

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                                        @ClickyMcTicker @lizzard @KatLS @cwebber My AP English teacher had a unit on logical fallacies and how to detect them. The science teachers (especially at AP level) were pretty consistent at teaching how to approach problems critically and not just plug numbers into an equation. All of this in a bland, middle-class public (USA) high school that spent way too much on football and not enough on teachers. Then again, that was also almost 40 years ago.

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                                        @dpnash @ClickyMcTicker @lizzard @cwebber I was likewise lucky in the 80s to have at least a few teachers that did this work. Mr. Jayne was the best history teacher ever🩷

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                                          Adults lose skills to AI; Children never build them. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-algorithmic-mind/202603/adults-lose-skills-to-ai-children-never-build-them

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                                          @cwebber It’s compounded by prior generations of decreasing education in arts and humanities, leading to adults (parents) who themselves did not learn creative thinking, ethics, or different cultures. I remember 20 years ago a comp sci professor complaining that his university was churning out tech grads with terrible communication skills. Those are now the “45 year olds” whose abilities atrophy “but could recover”. Their kids didn’t stand a chance against AI.

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