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  • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

    Adults lose skills to AI; Children never build them. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-algorithmic-mind/202603/adults-lose-skills-to-ai-children-never-build-them

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    @cwebber The list with the key points is demolishing.

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    • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

      Adults lose skills to AI; Children never build them. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-algorithmic-mind/202603/adults-lose-skills-to-ai-children-never-build-them

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      @cwebber Oooh, this quote, exactly!

      "...In my view, the most likely explanation for this is not generational preference but biological development. The older group probably offloaded tasks they already knew how to perform. The younger group offloaded task they never learned how to perform. These neural pathways for source evaluation and constructing arguments were never formed. You can’t atrophy a muscle that was never built...."

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      • ai6yr@m.ai6yr.orgA ai6yr@m.ai6yr.org

        @cwebber Oooh, this quote, exactly!

        "...In my view, the most likely explanation for this is not generational preference but biological development. The older group probably offloaded tasks they already knew how to perform. The younger group offloaded task they never learned how to perform. These neural pathways for source evaluation and constructing arguments were never formed. You can’t atrophy a muscle that was never built...."

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        @ai6yr @cwebber When mentoring students I often get the question - how do you figure things out so quickly.

        Then I tell them that I've been messing with hardware and software since I was in my early teens - and I made tons of (innocent) mistakes.

        When you get to be an adult you then know how to approach complex systems where you might not have this much margin.

        Much of it is heuristics. Offloading heuristics (despite biases) is a VERY BAD IDEA.

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        • koen_hufkens@mastodon.socialK koen_hufkens@mastodon.social

          @ai6yr @cwebber When mentoring students I often get the question - how do you figure things out so quickly.

          Then I tell them that I've been messing with hardware and software since I was in my early teens - and I made tons of (innocent) mistakes.

          When you get to be an adult you then know how to approach complex systems where you might not have this much margin.

          Much of it is heuristics. Offloading heuristics (despite biases) is a VERY BAD IDEA.

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          @ai6yr @cwebber Along the same line. I often got the question, what major should I study. I tell them, pick the hardest you can handle (if not a bit more). You will never have as much time to deal with this stuff as during college.

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          • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

            Adults lose skills to AI; Children never build them. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-algorithmic-mind/202603/adults-lose-skills-to-ai-children-never-build-them

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            @cwebber I was having this discussion with co-workers and came to the conclusion that with people relying on AI, things are gonna stagnate. no "new" knowledge will be pumped into the system so it will just be regurgitated slop once people stop thinking for themselves.

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            • koen_hufkens@mastodon.socialK koen_hufkens@mastodon.social

              @ai6yr @cwebber Along the same line. I often got the question, what major should I study. I tell them, pick the hardest you can handle (if not a bit more). You will never have as much time to deal with this stuff as during college.

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              @ai6yr @cwebber One of my life regrets is not studying physics, with a minor in life sciences / biology (rather than having to do it the other way around - which stinks).

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              • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                Adults lose skills to AI; Children never build them. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-algorithmic-mind/202603/adults-lose-skills-to-ai-children-never-build-them

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                @cwebber and there it is: our education system has mostly been designed for compliance. It needs a redesign because humans will follow the incentives. We are not complicated that way. 🐒🍌 We need to incentivize critical thinking.

                Thankfully, compliance was never one of my parenting goals. Nor should it be anyone’s.

                Cooperation is a much better goal.

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                • koen_hufkens@mastodon.socialK koen_hufkens@mastodon.social

                  @ai6yr @cwebber When mentoring students I often get the question - how do you figure things out so quickly.

                  Then I tell them that I've been messing with hardware and software since I was in my early teens - and I made tons of (innocent) mistakes.

                  When you get to be an adult you then know how to approach complex systems where you might not have this much margin.

                  Much of it is heuristics. Offloading heuristics (despite biases) is a VERY BAD IDEA.

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                  @koen_hufkens @ai6yr @cwebber experience: the collection of times when you went "oh, shit..." and filed it under "no, not doing that again, nope" for future reference.

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                  • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                    Adults lose skills to AI; Children never build them. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-algorithmic-mind/202603/adults-lose-skills-to-ai-children-never-build-them

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                    @cwebber oof yeah, Sam Altman’s dream, apparently

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                    • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                      Adults lose skills to AI; Children never build them. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-algorithmic-mind/202603/adults-lose-skills-to-ai-children-never-build-them

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                      @cwebber

                      Anecdata: Asked a specifying question for my context of a presenter at an event. His answer: “I have set up an LLM to answer questions from these files at this url. Give it a try!”

                      I did not and I will not.

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                      • koen_hufkens@mastodon.socialK koen_hufkens@mastodon.social

                        @ai6yr @cwebber When mentoring students I often get the question - how do you figure things out so quickly.

                        Then I tell them that I've been messing with hardware and software since I was in my early teens - and I made tons of (innocent) mistakes.

                        When you get to be an adult you then know how to approach complex systems where you might not have this much margin.

                        Much of it is heuristics. Offloading heuristics (despite biases) is a VERY BAD IDEA.

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                        @koen_hufkens @ai6yr @cwebber This is the good case scenario. The bad case scenario is https://circumstances.run/@agturcz/114568845841328174

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                          @cwebber oof yeah, Sam Altman’s dream, apparently

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                            @koen_hufkens @ai6yr @cwebber This is the good case scenario. The bad case scenario is https://circumstances.run/@agturcz/114568845841328174

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                            @agturcz @koen_hufkens @cwebber lol

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                            • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                              Adults lose skills to AI; Children never build them. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-algorithmic-mind/202603/adults-lose-skills-to-ai-children-never-build-them

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                              @cwebber More fodder for the top 1% wealthiest, to squeeze as much out of the masses as they can.

                              De Oppresso Liber

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                                Adults lose skills to AI; Children never build them. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-algorithmic-mind/202603/adults-lose-skills-to-ai-children-never-build-them

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                                @cwebber This is the downside of using AI, which gives us everything ready-made, so all mental effort becomes unnecessary, weakening our minds.

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                                    A corrupt religion to read our bibles for us.
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                                      Adults lose skills to AI; Children never build them. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-algorithmic-mind/202603/adults-lose-skills-to-ai-children-never-build-them

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                                      @cwebber

                                      developers who delegated coding to AI produced working code but failed conceptual understanding

                                      I wish tech industry would have that sink in

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                                        @cwebber

                                        developers who delegated coding to AI produced working code but failed conceptual understanding

                                        I wish tech industry would have that sink in

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                                        @gytisrepecka @cwebber "working"

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                                        • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                          Adults lose skills to AI; Children never build them. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-algorithmic-mind/202603/adults-lose-skills-to-ai-children-never-build-them

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                                          @cwebber I have been developing Adverserial skills....

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