Gaël Duval is the founder and president of the /e/ foundation along with the CEO of Murena.
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@GrapheneOS to be fair they don't promise security, only privacy. at least in their foreword on their website here.
I don't think it's by accident that they don't even use the word secure, or security, on the whole page.
/e/OS - e Foundation - deGoogled unGoogled smartphone operating systems and online services - your data is your data
ECOSYSTEMKEY FEATURESGET /E/OSNEED HELP /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled”, mobile ecosystem /e/OS is an open-source mobile operating system paired with carefully selected applications. They form a privacy-enabled internal system for your smartphone. And it’s not just claims: open-source means auditable privacy. /e/OS has received academic recognition from researchers at…
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I've seen claims before where they claim it's better than GrapheneOS. But in what regard? Maybe degoogling and having alternatives pre-installed? GrapheneOS is probably more involved to get the same apps. That's the only way /e/ is better in my opinion
@codebam @GrapheneOS
They don't "promote" security, at least not like Graphene does, that part is true, but can you really claim privacy without security? (Not in the literal sense, of course you can, what I mean is, is it ethical to do so?)
How can a phone be private while being easily penetrable?
In the theoretical sense, these are two different things, in the practical sense, you can have security without privacy, but you can't have privacy without security. -
/e/ is far weaker in all of these areas compared to the standard Android Open Source Project on secure hardware. It doesn't keep up with standards updates and protections. It adds tons of low security attack surface and privacy invasive services. It's not in the same space as us.
When Asked about age verification on their support forum, @murena buried and merged my question onto another topic which:
- had nothing to do with it;
- would have been closed after a couple of days not allowing more replies;
- and been vague about it, infact not stating their position.Not really what you would expect from a company praising Privacy as their flagship.
Shame on me for being so naïve to trust them, and those who bought their devices
UK Government Voting On Age Verification for VPN Users
In a few months, this is due to be voted on in the House Of Commons. I am concerned for a number a reasons. There is not a great deal of recent information released on this issue in the media. But, it seems like (if …
/e/OS community (community.e.foundation)
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Despite being done for profit, /e/ receives millions of euros in funding from the EU on an ongoing basis. /e/ and Murena use extraordinarily inaccurate marketing to not only promote their products/services but also to mislead people about GrapheneOS and scare them away from it.
@GrapheneOS I boosted this out of sympathy, but are there public sources for these statements?
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@GrapheneOS I don't think you should attack frontally others like that whenever
Reminding security is privacy is good.
Responding to attacks is good (which is not the case *here*)I understand its CEO and the Murena company might have attack the GrapheneOS project in the past, and responding to that was normal too.
But I don't see attacking /e/OS like that often as a positive feedback in general. A simple reminder could have been enough.
️ on the GrapheneOS project btw"I don't think you should attack frontally others like that whenever"
Gael Duval attack GrapheneOS, GrapheneOS responds to these attacks.
"I understand its CEO and the Murena company might have attack the GrapheneOS project in the past"
It's not in the past, these attacks are recuring, and he does it again in this recent video. Duval has been waging a disinformation campaign against GOS for years.
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Across French corporate and state media covering it, inaccurate claims by the state about features, distribution and marketing of GrapheneOS were wrongly presented as fact. Most of them didn't contact us and we weren't shown what was being claimed so we could properly respond.
Here are several particularly egregious examples:
Téléphones protégés utilisés par les narcotrafiquants : « Rien n’est inviolable ! »
Les téléphones Google Pixel équipés du système d’exploitation GrapheneOS permettent à des criminels de dissimuler leurs échanges. Johanna Brousse, magistrate spécialisée dans la lutte contre la cybercriminalité, explique quels sont les moyens de la justice pour contourner ce type ...
leparisien.fr (www.leparisien.fr)
Google Pixel et GrapheneOS : la botte secrète des narcotrafiquants pour protéger leurs données de la police
Les analystes de la police judiciaire, spécialisés dans la cybersécurité (OFAC), viennent d’alerter sur le nouvel outil des trafiquants pour dissimuler leurs échanges via leurs téléphones portables : GraphèneOS, un système d’exploitation qui fonctionne sur les Google Pixel et qui d...
leparisien.fr (www.leparisien.fr)
Narcotrafic : les autorités alertent sur l'utilisation d'un système d'exploitation de téléphone pour échapper aux forces de l'ordre
Ce dispositif permet d'assurer un haut niveau de confidentialité et de protection contre les intrusions. Selon les renseignements criminels, il intéresse les trafiquants de drogue en quête constante de nouvelles technologies.
Franceinfo (www.franceinfo.fr)
Gaël Duval and Murena participated in these attacks. They even spread harassment content towards our team and shared it with sites attacking us.
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Here are several particularly egregious examples:
Téléphones protégés utilisés par les narcotrafiquants : « Rien n’est inviolable ! »
Les téléphones Google Pixel équipés du système d’exploitation GrapheneOS permettent à des criminels de dissimuler leurs échanges. Johanna Brousse, magistrate spécialisée dans la lutte contre la cybercriminalité, explique quels sont les moyens de la justice pour contourner ce type ...
leparisien.fr (www.leparisien.fr)
Google Pixel et GrapheneOS : la botte secrète des narcotrafiquants pour protéger leurs données de la police
Les analystes de la police judiciaire, spécialisés dans la cybersécurité (OFAC), viennent d’alerter sur le nouvel outil des trafiquants pour dissimuler leurs échanges via leurs téléphones portables : GraphèneOS, un système d’exploitation qui fonctionne sur les Google Pixel et qui d...
leparisien.fr (www.leparisien.fr)
Narcotrafic : les autorités alertent sur l'utilisation d'un système d'exploitation de téléphone pour échapper aux forces de l'ordre
Ce dispositif permet d'assurer un haut niveau de confidentialité et de protection contre les intrusions. Selon les renseignements criminels, il intéresse les trafiquants de drogue en quête constante de nouvelles technologies.
Franceinfo (www.franceinfo.fr)
Gaël Duval and Murena participated in these attacks. They even spread harassment content towards our team and shared it with sites attacking us.
/e/ and Murena are based in France. They've been pushing false narratives about GrapheneOS falsely claiming it isn't usable by regular people and doesn't benefit them for years. Duval has been making the ludicrous claim GrapheneOS is only useful to criminals and spies for years.
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@GrapheneOS What's a more solid solution for blocking ads/trackers than DNS filtering?
@tedstechtips @GrapheneOS I think DNS or an adblock browser plugin is your best best. However, the point of the post is about tracking and privacy more broadly which includes not allowing apps to have certain information in the first place. That's why GOS put effort into sandboxing Google Play, file scope, contacts scope, etc.
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Here are several particularly egregious examples:
Téléphones protégés utilisés par les narcotrafiquants : « Rien n’est inviolable ! »
Les téléphones Google Pixel équipés du système d’exploitation GrapheneOS permettent à des criminels de dissimuler leurs échanges. Johanna Brousse, magistrate spécialisée dans la lutte contre la cybercriminalité, explique quels sont les moyens de la justice pour contourner ce type ...
leparisien.fr (www.leparisien.fr)
Google Pixel et GrapheneOS : la botte secrète des narcotrafiquants pour protéger leurs données de la police
Les analystes de la police judiciaire, spécialisés dans la cybersécurité (OFAC), viennent d’alerter sur le nouvel outil des trafiquants pour dissimuler leurs échanges via leurs téléphones portables : GraphèneOS, un système d’exploitation qui fonctionne sur les Google Pixel et qui d...
leparisien.fr (www.leparisien.fr)
Narcotrafic : les autorités alertent sur l'utilisation d'un système d'exploitation de téléphone pour échapper aux forces de l'ordre
Ce dispositif permet d'assurer un haut niveau de confidentialité et de protection contre les intrusions. Selon les renseignements criminels, il intéresse les trafiquants de drogue en quête constante de nouvelles technologies.
Franceinfo (www.franceinfo.fr)
Gaël Duval and Murena participated in these attacks. They even spread harassment content towards our team and shared it with sites attacking us.
@GrapheneOS Le Parisien :
"Ces engins jusqu’à présent inviolés, qui protègent les communications et qui ne partagent pas les données sur les serveurs, sont un nouveau défi que le parquet cyber entend bientôt relever."
C'est exactement pareil avec Signal sur Android si on n'utilise pas le cloud, ils nous prennent pour des imbéciles.
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/e/ and Murena are based in France. They've been pushing false narratives about GrapheneOS falsely claiming it isn't usable by regular people and doesn't benefit them for years. Duval has been making the ludicrous claim GrapheneOS is only useful to criminals and spies for years.
/e/ and Murena aren't on the same side as GrapheneOS. They're charlatans selling devices with poor privacy and atrocious security to earn money. They've spent years trying to undermine a legitimate privacy project and heavily use the same talking points as police state advocates.
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/e/ and Murena aren't on the same side as GrapheneOS. They're charlatans selling devices with poor privacy and atrocious security to earn money. They've spent years trying to undermine a legitimate privacy project and heavily use the same talking points as police state advocates.
Their marketing heavily focuses on avoiding Google and gives the impression they believe privacy means avoiding one company. Meanwhile, they add a bunch of Google services not present in the Android Open Source Project and give extensive privileged access to Google apps/services.
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Their marketing heavily focuses on avoiding Google and gives the impression they believe privacy means avoiding one company. Meanwhile, they add a bunch of Google services not present in the Android Open Source Project and give extensive privileged access to Google apps/services.
/e/ and Murena have their own privacy invasive behavior in their apps and services. One particularly egregious example is their supposedly private speech-to-text service sending user data to OpenAI without consent instead of doing most locally like Apple:
Voice to Text feature using Open AI
As I was reading the Murena’s terms of use I discovered that the voice to text feature introduced with e/OS/ 3.0 is using the Open AI API. That means our voice is sent to Open AI so they can translate it to text. Murena…
/e/OS community (community.e.foundation)
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Despite being done for profit, /e/ receives millions of euros in funding from the EU on an ongoing basis. /e/ and Murena use extraordinarily inaccurate marketing to not only promote their products/services but also to mislead people about GrapheneOS and scare them away from it.
@GrapheneOS
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@GrapheneOS Le Parisien :
"Ces engins jusqu’à présent inviolés, qui protègent les communications et qui ne partagent pas les données sur les serveurs, sont un nouveau défi que le parquet cyber entend bientôt relever."
C'est exactement pareil avec Signal sur Android si on n'utilise pas le cloud, ils nous prennent pour des imbéciles.
@davep @GrapheneOS Hahaha, furthermore, this false claim makes no sense: GrapheneOS does not route user communications through these servers; GrapheneOS is not a company and does not offer services such as messaging or email etc.
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/e/ and Murena have their own privacy invasive behavior in their apps and services. One particularly egregious example is their supposedly private speech-to-text service sending user data to OpenAI without consent instead of doing most locally like Apple:
Voice to Text feature using Open AI
As I was reading the Murena’s terms of use I discovered that the voice to text feature introduced with e/OS/ 3.0 is using the Open AI API. That means our voice is sent to Open AI so they can translate it to text. Murena…
/e/OS community (community.e.foundation)
/e/ and Murena have repeatedly claimed GrapheneOS is for drug dealers, pedophiles, terrorists and spies. /e/ and Murena are anti-privacy. They're heavily profiting from marketing products as private but don't believe in it. /e/ is an authoritarian-aligned fake privacy project.
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/e/ and Murena have repeatedly claimed GrapheneOS is for drug dealers, pedophiles, terrorists and spies. /e/ and Murena are anti-privacy. They're heavily profiting from marketing products as private but don't believe in it. /e/ is an authoritarian-aligned fake privacy project.
@GrapheneOS
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/e/ and Murena have repeatedly claimed GrapheneOS is for drug dealers, pedophiles, terrorists and spies. /e/ and Murena are anti-privacy. They're heavily profiting from marketing products as private but don't believe in it. /e/ is an authoritarian-aligned fake privacy project.
France is the most anti-encryption, anti-privacy and anti-security country in the EU. They've been doing a gradual crackdown on open source privacy projects including GrapheneOS and Signal with escalating smears and threats. /e/ and Murena are on the side of the police state.
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@7f12a48deefa2b96f073bc2a21bf5a5c09580a2110801deaee1d0dba8d3135b9 GrapheneOS is based in Canada, not France. However, we avoid strongly tying ourselves to Canada and are willing to move elsewhere if there are ever authoritarian laws which prevent us from continuing GrapheneOS in it. Laws which don't impact us directly aren't an issue. We did have multiple public-facing servers in France and had most of our public-facing servers hosted with a French company (OVH). We left those entirely behind.
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/e/ and Murena have repeatedly claimed GrapheneOS is for drug dealers, pedophiles, terrorists and spies. /e/ and Murena are anti-privacy. They're heavily profiting from marketing products as private but don't believe in it. /e/ is an authoritarian-aligned fake privacy project.
@GrapheneOS Privacy isn't a crime
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France is the most anti-encryption, anti-privacy and anti-security country in the EU. They've been doing a gradual crackdown on open source privacy projects including GrapheneOS and Signal with escalating smears and threats. /e/ and Murena are on the side of the police state.
That interview is not Gaël Duval misspeaking but rather he's expressing views we've seen him communicate in written form many times before. He has repeatedly misled people about what GrapheneOS provides and claimed it's only useful to criminals. He supported those media attacks.
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@GrapheneOS
Since I speak French it hit me pretty hard because it's one thing to read it written in an article or a tweet, it's another to watch the clip directly.
To have someone make privacy software while claiming that security is for pedophiles...
Très décevant Gaël, si tu lis ça.
C'est l'heure de step up ton game, j'aime e/OS/, mais là tu ne fais pas les choses justes.
La sécurité c'est pour tout le monde. Si je perds mon téléphone, j'ai besoin de savoir que ma vie digitale sera protégée.@mttn @GrapheneOS J'aimerais beaucoup que @gael réponde. J'ai fait confiance à /e/ et je n'y connais rien en sécurité... Ça m'inquiète.
