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  3. Gaël Duval is the founder and president of the /e/ foundation along with the CEO of Murena.

Gaël Duval is the founder and president of the /e/ foundation along with the CEO of Murena.

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  • blueluma@mastodon.socialB blueluma@mastodon.social

    @GrapheneOS I don't think you should attack frontally others like that whenever 😶

    Reminding security is privacy is good.
    Responding to attacks is good (which is not the case *here*)

    I understand its CEO and the Murena company might have attack the GrapheneOS project in the past, and responding to that was normal too.

    But I don't see attacking /e/OS like that often as a positive feedback in general. A simple reminder could have been enough.

    ❤️ on the GrapheneOS project btw

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    @blueluma @GrapheneOS

    "I don't think you should attack frontally others like that whenever"

    Gael Duval attack GrapheneOS, GrapheneOS responds to these attacks.

    "I understand its CEO and the Murena company might have attack the GrapheneOS project in the past"

    It's not in the past, these attacks are recuring, and he does it again in this recent video. Duval has been waging a disinformation campaign against GOS for years.

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    • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

      Across French corporate and state media covering it, inaccurate claims by the state about features, distribution and marketing of GrapheneOS were wrongly presented as fact. Most of them didn't contact us and we weren't shown what was being claimed so we could properly respond.

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      Here are several particularly egregious examples:

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      Téléphones protégés utilisés par les narcotrafiquants : « Rien n’est inviolable ! »

      Les téléphones Google Pixel équipés du système d’exploitation GrapheneOS permettent à des criminels de dissimuler leurs échanges. Johanna Brousse, magistrate spécialisée dans la lutte contre la cybercriminalité, explique quels sont les moyens de la justice pour contourner ce type ...

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      leparisien.fr (www.leparisien.fr)

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      Google Pixel et GrapheneOS : la botte secrète des narcotrafiquants pour protéger leurs données de la police

      Les analystes de la police judiciaire, spécialisés dans la cybersécurité (OFAC), viennent d’alerter sur le nouvel outil des trafiquants pour dissimuler leurs échanges via leurs téléphones portables : GraphèneOS, un système d’exploitation qui fonctionne sur les Google Pixel et qui d...

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      leparisien.fr (www.leparisien.fr)

      Link Preview Image
      Narcotrafic : les autorités alertent sur l'utilisation d'un système d'exploitation de téléphone pour échapper aux forces de l'ordre

      Ce dispositif permet d'assurer un haut niveau de confidentialité et de protection contre les intrusions. Selon les renseignements criminels, il intéresse les trafiquants de drogue en quête constante de nouvelles technologies.

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      Franceinfo (www.franceinfo.fr)

      Gaël Duval and Murena participated in these attacks. They even spread harassment content towards our team and shared it with sites attacking us.

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      • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

        Here are several particularly egregious examples:

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        Téléphones protégés utilisés par les narcotrafiquants : « Rien n’est inviolable ! »

        Les téléphones Google Pixel équipés du système d’exploitation GrapheneOS permettent à des criminels de dissimuler leurs échanges. Johanna Brousse, magistrate spécialisée dans la lutte contre la cybercriminalité, explique quels sont les moyens de la justice pour contourner ce type ...

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        leparisien.fr (www.leparisien.fr)

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        Google Pixel et GrapheneOS : la botte secrète des narcotrafiquants pour protéger leurs données de la police

        Les analystes de la police judiciaire, spécialisés dans la cybersécurité (OFAC), viennent d’alerter sur le nouvel outil des trafiquants pour dissimuler leurs échanges via leurs téléphones portables : GraphèneOS, un système d’exploitation qui fonctionne sur les Google Pixel et qui d...

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        leparisien.fr (www.leparisien.fr)

        Link Preview Image
        Narcotrafic : les autorités alertent sur l'utilisation d'un système d'exploitation de téléphone pour échapper aux forces de l'ordre

        Ce dispositif permet d'assurer un haut niveau de confidentialité et de protection contre les intrusions. Selon les renseignements criminels, il intéresse les trafiquants de drogue en quête constante de nouvelles technologies.

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        Franceinfo (www.franceinfo.fr)

        Gaël Duval and Murena participated in these attacks. They even spread harassment content towards our team and shared it with sites attacking us.

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        #49

        /e/ and Murena are based in France. They've been pushing false narratives about GrapheneOS falsely claiming it isn't usable by regular people and doesn't benefit them for years. Duval has been making the ludicrous claim GrapheneOS is only useful to criminals and spies for years.

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        • tedstechtips@mas.toT tedstechtips@mas.to

          @GrapheneOS What's a more solid solution for blocking ads/trackers than DNS filtering?

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          @tedstechtips @GrapheneOS I think DNS or an adblock browser plugin is your best best. However, the point of the post is about tracking and privacy more broadly which includes not allowing apps to have certain information in the first place. That's why GOS put effort into sandboxing Google Play, file scope, contacts scope, etc.

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          • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

            Here are several particularly egregious examples:

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            Téléphones protégés utilisés par les narcotrafiquants : « Rien n’est inviolable ! »

            Les téléphones Google Pixel équipés du système d’exploitation GrapheneOS permettent à des criminels de dissimuler leurs échanges. Johanna Brousse, magistrate spécialisée dans la lutte contre la cybercriminalité, explique quels sont les moyens de la justice pour contourner ce type ...

            favicon

            leparisien.fr (www.leparisien.fr)

            Link Preview Image
            Google Pixel et GrapheneOS : la botte secrète des narcotrafiquants pour protéger leurs données de la police

            Les analystes de la police judiciaire, spécialisés dans la cybersécurité (OFAC), viennent d’alerter sur le nouvel outil des trafiquants pour dissimuler leurs échanges via leurs téléphones portables : GraphèneOS, un système d’exploitation qui fonctionne sur les Google Pixel et qui d...

            favicon

            leparisien.fr (www.leparisien.fr)

            Link Preview Image
            Narcotrafic : les autorités alertent sur l'utilisation d'un système d'exploitation de téléphone pour échapper aux forces de l'ordre

            Ce dispositif permet d'assurer un haut niveau de confidentialité et de protection contre les intrusions. Selon les renseignements criminels, il intéresse les trafiquants de drogue en quête constante de nouvelles technologies.

            favicon

            Franceinfo (www.franceinfo.fr)

            Gaël Duval and Murena participated in these attacks. They even spread harassment content towards our team and shared it with sites attacking us.

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            @GrapheneOS Le Parisien :

            "Ces engins jusqu’à présent inviolés, qui protègent les communications et qui ne partagent pas les données sur les serveurs, sont un nouveau défi que le parquet cyber entend bientôt relever."

            C'est exactement pareil avec Signal sur Android si on n'utilise pas le cloud, ils nous prennent pour des imbéciles.

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            • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

              /e/ and Murena are based in France. They've been pushing false narratives about GrapheneOS falsely claiming it isn't usable by regular people and doesn't benefit them for years. Duval has been making the ludicrous claim GrapheneOS is only useful to criminals and spies for years.

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              /e/ and Murena aren't on the same side as GrapheneOS. They're charlatans selling devices with poor privacy and atrocious security to earn money. They've spent years trying to undermine a legitimate privacy project and heavily use the same talking points as police state advocates.

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              • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                /e/ and Murena aren't on the same side as GrapheneOS. They're charlatans selling devices with poor privacy and atrocious security to earn money. They've spent years trying to undermine a legitimate privacy project and heavily use the same talking points as police state advocates.

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                Their marketing heavily focuses on avoiding Google and gives the impression they believe privacy means avoiding one company. Meanwhile, they add a bunch of Google services not present in the Android Open Source Project and give extensive privileged access to Google apps/services.

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                • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                  Their marketing heavily focuses on avoiding Google and gives the impression they believe privacy means avoiding one company. Meanwhile, they add a bunch of Google services not present in the Android Open Source Project and give extensive privileged access to Google apps/services.

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                  /e/ and Murena have their own privacy invasive behavior in their apps and services. One particularly egregious example is their supposedly private speech-to-text service sending user data to OpenAI without consent instead of doing most locally like Apple:

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                  Voice to Text feature using Open AI

                  As I was reading the Murena’s terms of use I discovered that the voice to text feature introduced with e/OS/ 3.0 is using the Open AI API. That means our voice is sent to Open AI so they can translate it to text. Murena…

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                  • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                    Despite being done for profit, /e/ receives millions of euros in funding from the EU on an ongoing basis. /e/ and Murena use extraordinarily inaccurate marketing to not only promote their products/services but also to mislead people about GrapheneOS and scare them away from it.

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                    @GrapheneOS
                    they dont like free competiting with their paid services/products?

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                    • davep@infosec.exchangeD davep@infosec.exchange

                      @GrapheneOS Le Parisien :

                      "Ces engins jusqu’à présent inviolés, qui protègent les communications et qui ne partagent pas les données sur les serveurs, sont un nouveau défi que le parquet cyber entend bientôt relever."

                      C'est exactement pareil avec Signal sur Android si on n'utilise pas le cloud, ils nous prennent pour des imbéciles.

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                      @davep @GrapheneOS Hahaha, furthermore, this false claim makes no sense: GrapheneOS does not route user communications through these servers; GrapheneOS is not a company and does not offer services such as messaging or email etc.

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                      • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                        /e/ and Murena have their own privacy invasive behavior in their apps and services. One particularly egregious example is their supposedly private speech-to-text service sending user data to OpenAI without consent instead of doing most locally like Apple:

                        Link Preview Image
                        Voice to Text feature using Open AI

                        As I was reading the Murena’s terms of use I discovered that the voice to text feature introduced with e/OS/ 3.0 is using the Open AI API. That means our voice is sent to Open AI so they can translate it to text. Murena…

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                        /e/OS community (community.e.foundation)

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                        /e/ and Murena have repeatedly claimed GrapheneOS is for drug dealers, pedophiles, terrorists and spies. /e/ and Murena are anti-privacy. They're heavily profiting from marketing products as private but don't believe in it. /e/ is an authoritarian-aligned fake privacy project.

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                        • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                          /e/ and Murena have repeatedly claimed GrapheneOS is for drug dealers, pedophiles, terrorists and spies. /e/ and Murena are anti-privacy. They're heavily profiting from marketing products as private but don't believe in it. /e/ is an authoritarian-aligned fake privacy project.

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                          @GrapheneOS
                          In a world of corporate and state over reach, anyone wanting privacy is the enemy.

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                          • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                            /e/ and Murena have repeatedly claimed GrapheneOS is for drug dealers, pedophiles, terrorists and spies. /e/ and Murena are anti-privacy. They're heavily profiting from marketing products as private but don't believe in it. /e/ is an authoritarian-aligned fake privacy project.

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                            France is the most anti-encryption, anti-privacy and anti-security country in the EU. They've been doing a gradual crackdown on open source privacy projects including GrapheneOS and Signal with escalating smears and threats. /e/ and Murena are on the side of the police state.

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                              @7f12a48deefa2b96f073bc2a21bf5a5c09580a2110801deaee1d0dba8d3135b9 GrapheneOS is based in Canada, not France. However, we avoid strongly tying ourselves to Canada and are willing to move elsewhere if there are ever authoritarian laws which prevent us from continuing GrapheneOS in it. Laws which don't impact us directly aren't an issue. We did have multiple public-facing servers in France and had most of our public-facing servers hosted with a French company (OVH). We left those entirely behind.

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                              • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                                /e/ and Murena have repeatedly claimed GrapheneOS is for drug dealers, pedophiles, terrorists and spies. /e/ and Murena are anti-privacy. They're heavily profiting from marketing products as private but don't believe in it. /e/ is an authoritarian-aligned fake privacy project.

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                                @GrapheneOS Privacy isn't a crime

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                                • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                                  France is the most anti-encryption, anti-privacy and anti-security country in the EU. They've been doing a gradual crackdown on open source privacy projects including GrapheneOS and Signal with escalating smears and threats. /e/ and Murena are on the side of the police state.

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                                  That interview is not Gaël Duval misspeaking but rather he's expressing views we've seen him communicate in written form many times before. He has repeatedly misled people about what GrapheneOS provides and claimed it's only useful to criminals. He supported those media attacks.

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                                  • M mttn@mastodon.social

                                    @GrapheneOS
                                    Since I speak French it hit me pretty hard because it's one thing to read it written in an article or a tweet, it's another to watch the clip directly.
                                    To have someone make privacy software while claiming that security is for pedophiles...
                                    Très décevant Gaël, si tu lis ça.
                                    C'est l'heure de step up ton game, j'aime e/OS/, mais là tu ne fais pas les choses justes.
                                    La sécurité c'est pour tout le monde. Si je perds mon téléphone, j'ai besoin de savoir que ma vie digitale sera protégée.

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                                    @mttn @GrapheneOS J'aimerais beaucoup que @gael réponde. J'ai fait confiance à /e/ et je n'y connais rien en sécurité... Ça m'inquiète.

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                                    • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                                      /e/ and Murena aren't on the same side as GrapheneOS. They're charlatans selling devices with poor privacy and atrocious security to earn money. They've spent years trying to undermine a legitimate privacy project and heavily use the same talking points as police state advocates.

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                                      @GrapheneOS Can't wait for your Motorola partnership to further legitimize GrapheneOS.

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                                      • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                                        Here are several particularly egregious examples:

                                        Link Preview Image
                                        Téléphones protégés utilisés par les narcotrafiquants : « Rien n’est inviolable ! »

                                        Les téléphones Google Pixel équipés du système d’exploitation GrapheneOS permettent à des criminels de dissimuler leurs échanges. Johanna Brousse, magistrate spécialisée dans la lutte contre la cybercriminalité, explique quels sont les moyens de la justice pour contourner ce type ...

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                                        leparisien.fr (www.leparisien.fr)

                                        Link Preview Image
                                        Google Pixel et GrapheneOS : la botte secrète des narcotrafiquants pour protéger leurs données de la police

                                        Les analystes de la police judiciaire, spécialisés dans la cybersécurité (OFAC), viennent d’alerter sur le nouvel outil des trafiquants pour dissimuler leurs échanges via leurs téléphones portables : GraphèneOS, un système d’exploitation qui fonctionne sur les Google Pixel et qui d...

                                        favicon

                                        leparisien.fr (www.leparisien.fr)

                                        Link Preview Image
                                        Narcotrafic : les autorités alertent sur l'utilisation d'un système d'exploitation de téléphone pour échapper aux forces de l'ordre

                                        Ce dispositif permet d'assurer un haut niveau de confidentialité et de protection contre les intrusions. Selon les renseignements criminels, il intéresse les trafiquants de drogue en quête constante de nouvelles technologies.

                                        favicon

                                        Franceinfo (www.franceinfo.fr)

                                        Gaël Duval and Murena participated in these attacks. They even spread harassment content towards our team and shared it with sites attacking us.

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                                        @GrapheneOS

                                        The article is behind a paywall...

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                                        • grapheneos@grapheneos.socialG grapheneos@grapheneos.social

                                          That interview is not Gaël Duval misspeaking but rather he's expressing views we've seen him communicate in written form many times before. He has repeatedly misled people about what GrapheneOS provides and claimed it's only useful to criminals. He supported those media attacks.

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                                          Gaël Duval has repeatedly spread harassment content targeting our team with fabricated stories and bullying. Perhaps all of this is because he wants to maximize profits for Murena, but how is he going to achieve that by claiming serious privacy and security is for pedophiles?

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