Yup.
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Yup.
Like I've said: roid rage isn't a real thing. It's not. Anyone that tries to tell you that it is a real thing, is probably trying to justify violence by petulant man-babies.
If you're thinking "But steroids can make you irritable!
" I don't care. All women get irritable. All women know how guns and knives work. But they don't shoot and stab and beat people every time they get irritable. Part of being an adult, is learning how to regulate your emotions. Keep your hands to yourself.Steroids don't make big men angry. Steroids make angry men big. What would've been a 150 lb twerp, is now a 200 lb twerp. Steroids give them the opportunity to try to live out their violence. When I worked as a bouncer in college, I often had to hulk-smash roided out dudes that don't understand that steroids won't help them against me, and that fighting is a skill, and that they didn't have that skill.
I've never taken steroids. I'm an elite level natural powerlifter. Many powerlifters and bodybuilders aren't natural, which means that they do take steroids and other performance enhancing drugs. They don't rage on people.
I don't judge people who take steroids for sports. I certainly don't judge people who do gender affirming care. I am pro-gender affirming care. What I'm against, is violent people that try to blame steroids as their excuse for hurting people that they perceive as smaller than them.
No.
It's not the steroids. It's you.
@mekkaokereke I have always found the ubiquity of social excuses made for the drunk to be offputting. This isn't fully consistent but it's a strong natural inclination. I got an A in Linear Algebra without once taking a test sober, it is hard to sympathize with drunken rapists.
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Yup.
Like I've said: roid rage isn't a real thing. It's not. Anyone that tries to tell you that it is a real thing, is probably trying to justify violence by petulant man-babies.
If you're thinking "But steroids can make you irritable!
" I don't care. All women get irritable. All women know how guns and knives work. But they don't shoot and stab and beat people every time they get irritable. Part of being an adult, is learning how to regulate your emotions. Keep your hands to yourself.Steroids don't make big men angry. Steroids make angry men big. What would've been a 150 lb twerp, is now a 200 lb twerp. Steroids give them the opportunity to try to live out their violence. When I worked as a bouncer in college, I often had to hulk-smash roided out dudes that don't understand that steroids won't help them against me, and that fighting is a skill, and that they didn't have that skill.
I've never taken steroids. I'm an elite level natural powerlifter. Many powerlifters and bodybuilders aren't natural, which means that they do take steroids and other performance enhancing drugs. They don't rage on people.
I don't judge people who take steroids for sports. I certainly don't judge people who do gender affirming care. I am pro-gender affirming care. What I'm against, is violent people that try to blame steroids as their excuse for hurting people that they perceive as smaller than them.
No.
It's not the steroids. It's you.
@mekkaokereke
“Steroids don't make big men angry. Steroids make angry men big.”THIS.
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Yup.
Like I've said: roid rage isn't a real thing. It's not. Anyone that tries to tell you that it is a real thing, is probably trying to justify violence by petulant man-babies.
If you're thinking "But steroids can make you irritable!
" I don't care. All women get irritable. All women know how guns and knives work. But they don't shoot and stab and beat people every time they get irritable. Part of being an adult, is learning how to regulate your emotions. Keep your hands to yourself.Steroids don't make big men angry. Steroids make angry men big. What would've been a 150 lb twerp, is now a 200 lb twerp. Steroids give them the opportunity to try to live out their violence. When I worked as a bouncer in college, I often had to hulk-smash roided out dudes that don't understand that steroids won't help them against me, and that fighting is a skill, and that they didn't have that skill.
I've never taken steroids. I'm an elite level natural powerlifter. Many powerlifters and bodybuilders aren't natural, which means that they do take steroids and other performance enhancing drugs. They don't rage on people.
I don't judge people who take steroids for sports. I certainly don't judge people who do gender affirming care. I am pro-gender affirming care. What I'm against, is violent people that try to blame steroids as their excuse for hurting people that they perceive as smaller than them.
No.
It's not the steroids. It's you.
@mekkaokereke There is some evidence specifically for tren causing emotional disturbance and possibly brain damage, but it's hard to study definitively and doesn't take away from your main (CORRECT) point that angry men are drawn to abusing anabolic steroids AND they are still solely responsible for any actions they take afterwards.
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Yeah as a parent of 2 teens (1 cis lad, 1 transmasc son) there _is_ a period of time where it kicks in hard and the "learning to regulate your emotions" @mekkaokereke mentions has to be speedran, and during that period the chemicals sloshing in the system actually _are_ some justification for lashing out, but all things being equal that period of time is like, a few DAYS, maybe a handful of weeks tops.
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Yup.
Like I've said: roid rage isn't a real thing. It's not. Anyone that tries to tell you that it is a real thing, is probably trying to justify violence by petulant man-babies.
If you're thinking "But steroids can make you irritable!
" I don't care. All women get irritable. All women know how guns and knives work. But they don't shoot and stab and beat people every time they get irritable. Part of being an adult, is learning how to regulate your emotions. Keep your hands to yourself.Steroids don't make big men angry. Steroids make angry men big. What would've been a 150 lb twerp, is now a 200 lb twerp. Steroids give them the opportunity to try to live out their violence. When I worked as a bouncer in college, I often had to hulk-smash roided out dudes that don't understand that steroids won't help them against me, and that fighting is a skill, and that they didn't have that skill.
I've never taken steroids. I'm an elite level natural powerlifter. Many powerlifters and bodybuilders aren't natural, which means that they do take steroids and other performance enhancing drugs. They don't rage on people.
I don't judge people who take steroids for sports. I certainly don't judge people who do gender affirming care. I am pro-gender affirming care. What I'm against, is violent people that try to blame steroids as their excuse for hurting people that they perceive as smaller than them.
No.
It's not the steroids. It's you.
@mekkaokereke so I am claiming purely from my experience from folks I know who take hormones for brain shit vs physical appeance.
Folms who take T-style hormones for their own thing have a DRAMATIC drop in aggression.
I'm on the complete opposite of the spectrum, I had a drop in aggression when I started taking estrogen, but the folks I know taking testosterone had a similar experience, that your brain kind of leveled off once those chemicals stooped fighting with you.
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@oscarjiminy @mekkaokereke
I hear ya, but I mean, all things being equal, the period in which the parent should accept it as mostly excusing the lashing out, is only a few days long.Excuse my
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Yup.
Like I've said: roid rage isn't a real thing. It's not. Anyone that tries to tell you that it is a real thing, is probably trying to justify violence by petulant man-babies.
If you're thinking "But steroids can make you irritable!
" I don't care. All women get irritable. All women know how guns and knives work. But they don't shoot and stab and beat people every time they get irritable. Part of being an adult, is learning how to regulate your emotions. Keep your hands to yourself.Steroids don't make big men angry. Steroids make angry men big. What would've been a 150 lb twerp, is now a 200 lb twerp. Steroids give them the opportunity to try to live out their violence. When I worked as a bouncer in college, I often had to hulk-smash roided out dudes that don't understand that steroids won't help them against me, and that fighting is a skill, and that they didn't have that skill.
I've never taken steroids. I'm an elite level natural powerlifter. Many powerlifters and bodybuilders aren't natural, which means that they do take steroids and other performance enhancing drugs. They don't rage on people.
I don't judge people who take steroids for sports. I certainly don't judge people who do gender affirming care. I am pro-gender affirming care. What I'm against, is violent people that try to blame steroids as their excuse for hurting people that they perceive as smaller than them.
No.
It's not the steroids. It's you.
@mekkaokereke Reminds me of a study I read about many years ago where participants had to play a typical psychology-study game where had to make a choice to be more fair or more selfish. Control group got placebo. The three experimental groups got:
* placebo, but told it was testosterone
* testosterone, but not told what it was
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@mekkaokereke Reminds me of a study I read about many years ago where participants had to play a typical psychology-study game where had to make a choice to be more fair or more selfish. Control group got placebo. The three experimental groups got:
* placebo, but told it was testosterone
* testosterone, but not told what it was
* testosterone, and told it was testosterone@mekkaokereke The ones who got t. and not told what it was played somewhat more fairly than the control group, which is interesting. But much more interesting was that the ones who were _told_ they were given testosterone played much more selfishly, whether it was placebo or not. The conclusion was that people's _idea_ of what hormones do completely overrides their actual effects on behavior.
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@mekkaokereke Reminds me of a study I read about many years ago where participants had to play a typical psychology-study game where had to make a choice to be more fair or more selfish. Control group got placebo. The three experimental groups got:
* placebo, but told it was testosterone
* testosterone, but not told what it was
* testosterone, and told it was testosterone@mw This sounds very similar to a study on alcohol I think I read about many years ago in "Watching the English". If I remember rightly, one group was given alcohol for a party, one was given non-alcoholic drinks, and a third was given non-alcoholic drinks but told they were alcoholic. The last group also behaved "drunk". Leary "drunkenness" wasn't really a property of the alcohol (which is a depressant) but sociological.
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Yeah as a parent of 2 teens (1 cis lad, 1 transmasc son) there _is_ a period of time where it kicks in hard and the "learning to regulate your emotions" @mekkaokereke mentions has to be speedran, and during that period the chemicals sloshing in the system actually _are_ some justification for lashing out, but all things being equal that period of time is like, a few DAYS, maybe a handful of weeks tops.
Define "lashing out." Putting your hands on someone? No. Keep your hands to yourself.
Getting emotional? Yes, that's acceptable for more than a few days. A lifetime even!
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Yup.
Like I've said: roid rage isn't a real thing. It's not. Anyone that tries to tell you that it is a real thing, is probably trying to justify violence by petulant man-babies.
If you're thinking "But steroids can make you irritable!
" I don't care. All women get irritable. All women know how guns and knives work. But they don't shoot and stab and beat people every time they get irritable. Part of being an adult, is learning how to regulate your emotions. Keep your hands to yourself.Steroids don't make big men angry. Steroids make angry men big. What would've been a 150 lb twerp, is now a 200 lb twerp. Steroids give them the opportunity to try to live out their violence. When I worked as a bouncer in college, I often had to hulk-smash roided out dudes that don't understand that steroids won't help them against me, and that fighting is a skill, and that they didn't have that skill.
I've never taken steroids. I'm an elite level natural powerlifter. Many powerlifters and bodybuilders aren't natural, which means that they do take steroids and other performance enhancing drugs. They don't rage on people.
I don't judge people who take steroids for sports. I certainly don't judge people who do gender affirming care. I am pro-gender affirming care. What I'm against, is violent people that try to blame steroids as their excuse for hurting people that they perceive as smaller than them.
No.
It's not the steroids. It's you.
@mekkaokereke actually, low testosterone makes old guys crabby and antisocial. They're much better with a little additional testosterone
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@mekkaokereke actually, low testosterone makes old guys crabby and antisocial. They're much better with a little additional testosterone
@deepmud @mekkaokereke Yup. I'm getting that tested as part of a bunch of tests to find out why I'm crabby and antisocial 🤪
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Yup.
Like I've said: roid rage isn't a real thing. It's not. Anyone that tries to tell you that it is a real thing, is probably trying to justify violence by petulant man-babies.
If you're thinking "But steroids can make you irritable!
" I don't care. All women get irritable. All women know how guns and knives work. But they don't shoot and stab and beat people every time they get irritable. Part of being an adult, is learning how to regulate your emotions. Keep your hands to yourself.Steroids don't make big men angry. Steroids make angry men big. What would've been a 150 lb twerp, is now a 200 lb twerp. Steroids give them the opportunity to try to live out their violence. When I worked as a bouncer in college, I often had to hulk-smash roided out dudes that don't understand that steroids won't help them against me, and that fighting is a skill, and that they didn't have that skill.
I've never taken steroids. I'm an elite level natural powerlifter. Many powerlifters and bodybuilders aren't natural, which means that they do take steroids and other performance enhancing drugs. They don't rage on people.
I don't judge people who take steroids for sports. I certainly don't judge people who do gender affirming care. I am pro-gender affirming care. What I'm against, is violent people that try to blame steroids as their excuse for hurting people that they perceive as smaller than them.
No.
It's not the steroids. It's you.
One thing to keep in mind: as an adult, it is your responsibility to manage your emotions and learn how to do so in a socially acceptable way. In 95% of situations, that means not being violent.
If you are being violent, It doesn't matter why you are being violent. You are breaking the social contact.
Don't make excuses, do the work and sort your shit out.
There are multiple types of therapy and various medications that might help. You have to take care of it. You can't make it everybody else's problem.
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Define "lashing out." Putting your hands on someone? No. Keep your hands to yourself.
Getting emotional? Yes, that's acceptable for more than a few days. A lifetime even!
@mekkaokereke @oscarjiminy
In our case it was seeing red & punching the sib.
Accepted by us parents as a mitigating factor for a few days when the hormones hit like a train. Then... Yeah, no longer even a mitigating factor, it's your problem to control your reactions, kid. -
@mekkaokereke @oscarjiminy
In our case it was seeing red & punching the sib.
Accepted by us parents as a mitigating factor for a few days when the hormones hit like a train. Then... Yeah, no longer even a mitigating factor, it's your problem to control your reactions, kid.
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100% agree! But in both cases, the issue is not the steroids. The issue is societal acceptance of violence by men that can't regulate their emotions.
I was serious when I said "Petulant man-baby."
Steroids did not give this man anger issues. Steroids made him feel invincible, so he got in road rage fights with women on the freeway.
He tried it once with a man who works as a valet in a car park on LA, and got beat up (fighting is a skill). Then he went to Hawaii, and attacked more women. Then he went to jail, and met some Hawaiians my size without steroids. Violent people find each other.
️This is not "roid rage." This is anger and misogyny, enabled by steroids.
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@mekkaokereke The ones who got t. and not told what it was played somewhat more fairly than the control group, which is interesting. But much more interesting was that the ones who were _told_ they were given testosterone played much more selfishly, whether it was placebo or not. The conclusion was that people's _idea_ of what hormones do completely overrides their actual effects on behavior.
@mw @mekkaokereke because of lifelong hormonal issues, my E levels were high (>150pg/mL) and T levels low (<320ng/mL), all endogenous.
about six or seven years ago i started taking a non-HRT medication that cut the E to <20pg/ml and roughly doubled T (>650ng/mL).
i was more sociable, it was much easier to start conversations, and every interaction-related thing became almost weightless. T has far more to do with cooperation than aggression.
biological essentialism is a cursed idea.
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@oscarjiminy @mekkaokereke
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@deepmud @mekkaokereke Yup. I'm getting that tested as part of a bunch of tests to find out why I'm crabby and antisocial 🤪
@davep good luck! It's a tad hard to administer....cream is messy and you can expose others, and injections are unpleasant.
But the people I know who are using supplemental testosterone are very happy how much better they feel
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@mw @mekkaokereke because of lifelong hormonal issues, my E levels were high (>150pg/mL) and T levels low (<320ng/mL), all endogenous.
about six or seven years ago i started taking a non-HRT medication that cut the E to <20pg/ml and roughly doubled T (>650ng/mL).
i was more sociable, it was much easier to start conversations, and every interaction-related thing became almost weightless. T has far more to do with cooperation than aggression.
biological essentialism is a cursed idea.
@mw @mekkaokereke i have a friend who started HRT in his 50s because of a different medical condition. he had the same experience.
more energy, easier interactions with others, and far more patience under trying circumstances.
the people flattening and corrupting the myriad ways hormones interact with behavior are demonstrably wrong and absolutely causing harm to everyone.
this is the twinkie defense all over again.
