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Who needs Ghidra when you have autism and a box of markers?

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  • gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG gloriouscow@oldbytes.space

    This was done to reverse engineer the bytecode interpreter for an adventure game engine. Of course we needed to reverse engineer the script bytecode itself, so we just manually emulated that shit. With more markers.

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    Here's my hand written opcode table. Color coded!

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      Here's my hand written opcode table. Color coded!

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      Notes on the game engine's RLE compression for sprites and background images.

      Why did I spend time making the arrows all fancy?

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      • gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG gloriouscow@oldbytes.space

        Notes on the game engine's RLE compression for sprites and background images.

        Why did I spend time making the arrows all fancy?

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        There is literally an entire box of this shit. Here's the animation playback routines

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        • gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG gloriouscow@oldbytes.space

          There is literally an entire box of this shit. Here's the animation playback routines

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          Y'all like pixel fonts?

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            Y'all like pixel fonts?

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            This is an entire visual representation of a string wrapping function. A character's dialog is placed above their head, center justified, and split according to how much room there is to the edge of the screen or other characters.

            I didn't reverse the code for this. I just worked it out from observing how it worked talking to characters at various positions on screen

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            • gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG gloriouscow@oldbytes.space

              This is an entire visual representation of a string wrapping function. A character's dialog is placed above their head, center justified, and split according to how much room there is to the edge of the screen or other characters.

              I didn't reverse the code for this. I just worked it out from observing how it worked talking to characters at various positions on screen

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              And here is the entire point of digging all this out. @foone was talking about reverse engineering compression - this is how it started. This is an RLE encoded sprite. The highlighter sections and boxed sections are RLE opcodes and compressd runs, and the bytes with curvy underlines are uncompressed pixel spans

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              • gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG gloriouscow@oldbytes.space

                And here is the entire point of digging all this out. @foone was talking about reverse engineering compression - this is how it started. This is an RLE encoded sprite. The highlighter sections and boxed sections are RLE opcodes and compressd runs, and the bytes with curvy underlines are uncompressed pixel spans

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                ...I still do all this shit, but I have since broken up with Okidata-chan and kicked my 10 crayola a day habit

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                • gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG gloriouscow@oldbytes.space

                  And here is the entire point of digging all this out. @foone was talking about reverse engineering compression - this is how it started. This is an RLE encoded sprite. The highlighter sections and boxed sections are RLE opcodes and compressd runs, and the bytes with curvy underlines are uncompressed pixel spans

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                  @gloriouscow oof. Doing this on paper sounds so painful

                  (I was doing this on paper back in 2003, but I've mostly suppressed those memories)

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                  • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                    @gloriouscow oof. Doing this on paper sounds so painful

                    (I was doing this on paper back in 2003, but I've mostly suppressed those memories)

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                    @foone this is all circa 1999-2001. maybe it is just a phase every reverser goes through.

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                    • gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG gloriouscow@oldbytes.space

                      @foone this is all circa 1999-2001. maybe it is just a phase every reverser goes through.

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                      @gloriouscow this is just what we had to do before computers were good at things

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                      • gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG gloriouscow@oldbytes.space

                        Who needs Ghidra when you have autism and a box of markers?

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                        @gloriouscow I really wish I could afford a printer right now. :(((

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                        • gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG gloriouscow@oldbytes.space

                          And here is the entire point of digging all this out. @foone was talking about reverse engineering compression - this is how it started. This is an RLE encoded sprite. The highlighter sections and boxed sections are RLE opcodes and compressd runs, and the bytes with curvy underlines are uncompressed pixel spans

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                          well, when you play I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream using ScummVM, some of this shit may still be in there, somewhere.

                          Maybe.

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                          • gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG gloriouscow@oldbytes.space

                            @foone this is all circa 1999-2001. maybe it is just a phase every reverser goes through.

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                            @gloriouscow @foone having a big "wait, that counts as reverse engineering? oh gods, yeah, it would have to, wouldn't it" moment over here

                            tractor feed was so good for this

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                            • rey@toot.catR rey@toot.cat

                              @gloriouscow @foone having a big "wait, that counts as reverse engineering? oh gods, yeah, it would have to, wouldn't it" moment over here

                              tractor feed was so good for this

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                              @rey @foone

                              i didn't say I was a good reverser

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                              • gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG gloriouscow@oldbytes.space

                                Who needs Ghidra when you have autism and a box of markers?

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                                @gloriouscow
                                isn't it tedious?

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                                • blue_on@qdon.spaceB blue_on@qdon.space

                                  @gloriouscow
                                  isn't it tedious?

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                                  @blue_on You'd think so, but it's more methodical. I remember just laying on the floor with the listings spread out and listening to music while doing. After a while you just zone out, it's meditative

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                                  • gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG gloriouscow@oldbytes.space

                                    @blue_on You'd think so, but it's more methodical. I remember just laying on the floor with the listings spread out and listening to music while doing. After a while you just zone out, it's meditative

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                                    @blue_on the closest experience i have to it now is tracing out boards in KiCad. put on some music, and just follow traces with the mouse from chip to chip. thousands and thousands of traces...

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                                    • gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG gloriouscow@oldbytes.space

                                      Who needs Ghidra when you have autism and a box of markers?

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                                      @gloriouscow I sometimes think that might be better than ghidra

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                                      • gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG gloriouscow@oldbytes.space

                                        Who needs Ghidra when you have autism and a box of markers?

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                                        @gloriouscow @goosey Dot matrix printed source code is the best! I had tons of it, at one time, all marked up like you’ve done here.

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                                        • gloriouscow@oldbytes.spaceG gloriouscow@oldbytes.space

                                          Who needs Ghidra when you have autism and a box of markers?

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                                          @gloriouscow I do, because I threw out my tractor feed dot matrix printers over two decades ago.

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