@hacks4pancakes Agreed.

I absolutely loved Discovery, and it was the re-entry point for me to check out other newer Trekkie shows. The fact that it's "so contentious" tells me the show did what it set out to do: hook (or summon back) a broader audience.

@hacks4pancakes As a stale pale male, the thing that bothers me most about Academy and post-jump Disco is the ship sections not touching. That's three ships in formation! That is not one ship! I don't care if it identifies as the same ship!
Ok, I'll go back to my oatmeal now.

@hacks4pancakes Kurtzman Trek apologists really need to pick a lane between "Trek has always been woke" and "Finally, the first Trek that is not solely for toxic white dudebros" it's VERY confusing

@hacks4pancakes Actually I am straight white male and Gen X and I love Starfleet Academy and I love the glorious queerness of Discovery even if Michael is to much of a Mary Sue. I think who doesn't and calls themselves a trekker should read up on the IDIC principle.

@hacks4pancakes I'm not the target audience. And I'm completely ok with that.

@hacks4pancakes Straight old white guy here. I was totally into Starfleet Academy. Commander Reno is my spirit animal.

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I was actually thinking about this as I was watching #StarfleetAcademy.

I'm an absolutely from-the-start 1st Gen #Trekkie

& I have my issues with the quality of some of the writing.

But I can't express how stoked I am to see the wild range & variety of characters. It's just so freakin' glorious.

@hacks4pancakes Ffff, this thread is how I found out that SFA will only get one more season.

I had mixed feelings about Discovery over its run, but loved SFA immediately. It was my favourite of the live action new Trek series, hands down.

It's wild to me to what degree certain franchise fans don't acknowledge or even *see* who has actually been in their fandom for literal decades, ever since there's been a fandom; before there was an internet, and sometimes before they were on Earth, enjoying something even though it wasn't primarily intended for them.

@hacks4pancakes People apparently also don't want to be reminded of what would've happened to shows like TNG had they been judged by the audience reception to their early seasons.

@hacks4pancakes I am not straight and not male (though admittedly, I'm old) and I couldn't bear watching more than 4 episodes of Discovery. It wasn't well-written and the characters were stereotypes. I don't fault anyone for liking it but how someone can relate to the characters without doing some very heavy lifting is beyond me.

@hacks4pancakes I'm a straight white woman, but I fucking love starfleet academy. It is a great show. And anyone who thinks it's a departure from Star Trek in "wokeness" hasn't paid attention.

@hacks4pancakes I'm not the target audience for either Discovery or SFA. I'm a CIS white male. But I absolutely loved how the writers of SFA represented so many different minorities. The characters were fictional, but their stories were tangible, and there was growth, and it was refreshing that it was a (mostly) low stakes story. It makes me angry how... rabid some people are about disliking the show. It's like a perverse mirror of the fascist crap going on in our lives - they not only don't like it, they also want to prevent other people from liking it. A show that's known for espousing acceptance and diversity!

@hacks4pancakes One thing that really struck me when watching Discovery is how much the franchise focuses on war now. I don't know why that show. It's not the first by far. It just hit me though and I wonder how Roddenberry would have liked that. Every Star Trek, even one called "Discovery", is primarily full of war.

Exciting. It's a good, fun show. I like it. But it hit me.

@kristinHenry @anthony @hacks4pancakes So fabulous. I hope that set designer does other amazing work in that same vein!

@polarweasel @anthony @hacks4pancakes They have a wonderful understanding of Art Nouveau, and mixing it...so many of my favorite art movements.

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Cis, Het, Older White Guy here. I LOVE DISCOVERY! I LOVE STARDATE:90210! I AM AMBIVALENT ABOUT PICARD! I LOVE STRANGE NEW WORLDS!

IOW, until now, I've loved every series even if it took a while to warm to DS9. I love all three animated series.

Except for a couple, I do draw the line at the movies. All of them are… watchable but only a couple are good (ST2:TWOK, ST4:TOWTW, IMHO).

If any new Trek dross ever leaks from Paramaga, it's likely to be garbage.

#FuckParamount

@hacks4pancakes @B3r6ur Yae. Would rather watch Voyager for the 8th time.

@hacks4pancakes @B3r6ur (I think I might habe mis-read your post. Might be part for course.)

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The way she doesn't like to wear shoes and how she drops herself into seats give off so much ADHD energy! But combined with her self-confidence it becomes mind-blowing.

That is you? Awesome!! 🤩

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TOS has a main character whose parents are different species and no one is surprised that they are married. The idea that the gender of people in a relationship would bother people in such a society seems weird.

It’s probably necessary for audience comprehension, but the idea that we’d still be using gendered pronouns in the 23rd century grated on me quite a bit as a teenager watching TNG for the first time (especially since they did try to make the titles and forms of address in Starfleet gender-neutral). At least Iain M Banks put in translator note explaining that this was an artefact of your reading the book in a stupid language and not the original Marain.