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  • aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place

    xml stands for excellent markup language

    thermia@sk.girlthi.ngT This user is from outside of this forum
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    @aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place extinct markup language

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    • mavnn@bonfire.mavnn.euM mavnn@bonfire.mavnn.eu

      @aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place I'm going to say it: if as an industry we'd done SOAP properly and built the tooling to support it in more languages, it would have been awesome. XSD is so much better than json schema for specifying a domain.

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      @aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place Of course, we were never going to do it properly. The very first paid dev work I did was integration software between a UK fire and rescue service and a brand new reporting service set up by the national government for collecting stats.

      During the launch, the project lead on the government side pulled me aside to thank me for writing the only implementation out of over fifty that sent xml that validated. Several of the other implementations were written by large consulting firms at orders of magnitude greater cost.

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      • aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place

        xml stands for excellent markup language

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        @aeva It really is! Its greatest downfall was that people wanted it to be a serialization format, didn't understand the difference, and made giant messes.

        I still wish XHTML was a thing, because people still think that what counts as "valid HTML" is well defined but it absolutely isn't

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        • aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place

          xml stands for excellent markup language

          lritter@mastodon.gamedev.placeL This user is from outside of this forum
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          @aeva xml is for people born in 60s/70s. if you're born in 80s/90s, it's yaml for you.

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          • lritter@mastodon.gamedev.placeL lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place

            @aeva xml is for people born in 60s/70s. if you're born in 80s/90s, it's yaml for you.

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            @lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place @aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORWAY

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            • lritter@mastodon.gamedev.placeL lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place

              @aeva xml is for people born in 60s/70s. if you're born in 80s/90s, it's yaml for you.

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              @lritter no. yaml is for startups who made technlology decisions based on passing fads in the 2010s and will only be free from their enormous pile of technical debt when they fail to IPO and the investors send them to a farm up state

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              • aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place

                @lritter no. yaml is for startups who made technlology decisions based on passing fads in the 2010s and will only be free from their enormous pile of technical debt when they fail to IPO and the investors send them to a farm up state

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                @lritter xml is for lovers

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                • aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place

                  @lritter xml is for lovers

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                  @aeva no! only sx is good

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                  • unlofl@mstdn.socialU unlofl@mstdn.social

                    @aeva It really is! Its greatest downfall was that people wanted it to be a serialization format, didn't understand the difference, and made giant messes.

                    I still wish XHTML was a thing, because people still think that what counts as "valid HTML" is well defined but it absolutely isn't

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                    @unlofl @aeva also XHTML2 has some glorious features.

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                    • lritter@mastodon.gamedev.placeL lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place

                      @aeva no! only sx is good

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                      @lritter ... what does the tld for Sint Maarten have anything to do with this

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                      • aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place

                        @lritter ... what does the tld for Sint Maarten have anything to do with this

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                        @aeva https://git.sr.ht/~duangle/sxpp/tree/master/item/doc/syntax.md

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                        • lritter@mastodon.gamedev.placeL lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place

                          @aeva xml is for people born in 60s/70s. if you're born in 80s/90s, it's yaml for you.

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                          @lritter @aeva *gasp* that’s slander. XML got a bad rap because of abuse by the Java community. XML is the one true markup.

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                          • photex@icosahedron.websiteP photex@icosahedron.website

                            @lritter @aeva *gasp* that’s slander. XML got a bad rap because of abuse by the Java community. XML is the one true markup.

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                            @photex @aeva i wrote enough XSLT in my life to claim the right to reject xml passionately. it was a nullbrained idea

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                            • lritter@mastodon.gamedev.placeL lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place

                              @photex @aeva i wrote enough XSLT in my life to claim the right to reject xml passionately. it was a nullbrained idea

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                              @lritter @aeva I would never deny your trauma or right to heal in your own time. Peace be with you and may you never be forced to write software for the enterprise again.

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                              • aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                xml stands for excellent markup language

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                                @aeva
                                oh no, I always thought it stood for "excellent, my love".
                                Now I understand why I was always given weird looks, when I told that to my love when something good happened!

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                                • photex@icosahedron.websiteP photex@icosahedron.website

                                  @lritter @aeva I would never deny your trauma or right to heal in your own time. Peace be with you and may you never be forced to write software for the enterprise again.

                                  lritter@mastodon.gamedev.placeL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @photex @aeva for the record yaml is no better (it's over-engineered).

                                  i can really only stand s-expressions these days.

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                                  • thehole@dasforum.orgT thehole@dasforum.org

                                    @aeva
                                    oh no, I always thought it stood for "excellent, my love".
                                    Now I understand why I was always given weird looks, when I told that to my love when something good happened!

                                    aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @thehole no no, now it stands for "excellent, my love"

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