Today is the EU-wide why-on-earth-we-do-it - day, when we move clocks for no reason, but just because our governing system does not know how to stop it.

[ysbreker@idlethumbs.social]

@rpsu what if I really like daylight savings day? I don't need sunlight at 5 in the morning. I want it in the evening though.

[rpsu@mas.to]

@ysbreker What is stopping us to keep the summer time zone with more light in the evening all around the year

[raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie]

@rpsu
It's the UK that's blocking change because they have a border in Ireland. We can't have two time zones in Ireland.

[cadellin@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@rpsu I was against daylight saving anyway, but nothing has made me more angry about it than working on a large, cross atlantic game dev project.

Because NA move the clocks three weeks earlier, any meeting series booked by an American moves- but European-booked meetings dont move till the end of March. Daylight saving went from a one day nuisance to a three week event of meeting clashes and frantic reorganisation.

[frutigeraero00@mastodon.social]

@rpsu Why is daylight time bad?

[cadellin@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@rpsu it used to match, but in the mid 2000s the US candy industry lobbied a date move so that it would be lighter for Halloween evenings. Canada moved to match but now there is this three week continental drift twice a year. So damn annoying.

[rpsu@mas.to]

@FrutigerAero00 It is not about what time is it related to the sun, but the fact that the whole society is forced to start getting up earlier. A fixed day to day sleeping routine is disturbed and while some people do not mind or aren’t affect, some people need the consistency more.

I’m one of those people and my kids as well.

[osma@mas.to]

1. Time is universal, clock is a construction.
2. It's 5 am somewhere 24 times every rotation.
3. I don't want it to be 5 am where I am at the same time it is 5 am at the kremlin.
4. 13 hours 2 minutes of daylight here at 60N today, never mind what hour hand is pointing at.
@rpsu @ysbreker

[layn75@mastodon.online]

I'm still so salty that it should've stopped in the EU in 2019, latest 2021, but the measure has just stalled since then. Even though most seem to agree it should end. Urgh

[retrosponge@kind.social]

@rpsu I live in BC in Canada and right before we put the clocks forward a few weeks ago they announced that it was the last time we were doing it.

I wish they'd just left them alone entirely, but I'm glad we're done with this nonsense.

[eq@mas.to]

@cojajo @rpsu I know someone that had a burnout a few years ago. She just stopped moving the clock. It wasn't the only change she did in her life, she in general changed everything from leaving job and husband to moving town so I guess stopping with the insanity of daylight savings time wasn't such a big step any more

[muri@troet.cafe]

@osma @rpsu @ysbreker mostly agree, but why 3 though?
If we just ignored local time zones and used UTC everywhere, don't you think people would adapt to "sun goes up at 17h in summer or 18h in winter, shops open at 18h, lunch break at 22h, ..."?

[electricfusionq@muenchen.social]

@rpsu A small inconvenience for you. For people living on the most west or most east point of the time zone it makes a huge difference.

The only really logical thing to do would be to shrink the CET.
Spain moves into the same time zone as POR or GB, Northmacedonia, Serbia, Slovakia, Hungary, Poland (?) are moving to the time zone of FIN and GR.
Before this didn´t happen talking about an abolition of the daylight saving time is pointless.

[osma@mas.to]

Why 3 what?

Here (60N 25E), sun goes up at 00:54 UTC at midsummer, 07:24 UTC midwinter and sets at 19:47/13:16. Shops open any time between 05 and 08. Lunch is served from 09 to 12 UTC.
@muri @rpsu @ysbreker

[rpsu@mas.to]

@electricfusionQ I disagree about the ”only logical”-part. It surely would be one option, even if highly unlikely to happen IMHO.

[muri@troet.cafe]

@osma @rpsu @ysbreker Ah sorry, I misread your 3rd point multiple times and thought you were arguing for local timezones. I think we're on the same page actually.

[turbulent@mastodon.social]

@electricfusionQ @rpsu I would argue it daylight saving time matters mostly for the western part of the EU, because for example Poland is almost perfectly aligned with the UTC+1

[osma@mas.to]

I could live on UTC, but I don't think for a second that majority opinion would support it anywhere but on the British isles and maybe Iceland. Anyway our solar noon is about 12:20 standard local time and pretending it's actually 13:20 then is ridiculous.
@muri @rpsu @ysbreker

[turbulent@mastodon.social]

@rpsu I actually thought about it hard recently and realised that while I hate changing the timezone I actually like bright mornings in winter and bright evenings in summer.
That being said, everyone has their own preference. So I think the society will not be ready to abolish time changes as long as we are not ready to admit that everyone has a different biological clock and we all don't need to work 8-16 all year round and it's fine for business to change opening times once in a while.

[paulmckrcu@social.kernel.org]

@rpsu Check the law carefully. The daylight-saving-time proponents on West Coast USA stopped an initiative some years back by redirecting from permanent standard time to permanent daylight-savings time. Most people (myself included) didn't care which time, as long as time didn't change.

Except that USA Federal law allows any state to unilaterally revert back to standard time, but an act of USA Congress is requited for a state to move to permanent daylight-savings time. Which meant that the resulting state laws had no effect.

Clever, these hobbits...