<![CDATA[Today is the EU-wide why-on-earth-we-do-it - day, when we move clocks for no reason, but just because our governing system does not know how to stop it.]]>Today is the EU-wide why-on-earth-we-do-it - day, when we move clocks for no reason, but just because our governing system does not know how to stop it. It causes harm in people, and no benefits.

Stop the daylight “saving” time for good.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/topic/6e6585be-bdc8-40db-bbd9-a09cd1cb7373/today-is-the-eu-wide-why-on-earth-we-do-it-day-when-we-move-clocks-for-no-reason-but-just-because-our-governing-system-does-not-know-how-to-stop-it.RSS for NodeFri, 10 Apr 2026 12:08:44 GMTSun, 29 Mar 2026 05:59:06 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Today is the EU-wide why-on-earth-we-do-it - day, when we move clocks for no reason, but just because our governing system does not know how to stop it. on Sun, 29 Mar 2026 09:58:24 GMT]]>@OliverNoble @rpsu
If you lived on the Island of Ireland (NI or Ireland) you'd not ask that question.
There is a British border, but since 1998 GFA peace deal, there are contortions to make it invisible. This was easy enough when the UK was in the EU. NI & Scotland voted to remain. DUP in NI took Russian money to advertise for Leave.
Ireland has only been partitioned since 1922.

It's now really complicated. Stupid. Brexit was to continue money laundering, not sovereignty.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.ie/users/raymaccarthy/statuses/116311870975869912https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.ie/users/raymaccarthy/statuses/116311870975869912Sun, 29 Mar 2026 09:58:24 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Today is the EU-wide why-on-earth-we-do-it - day, when we move clocks for no reason, but just because our governing system does not know how to stop it. on Sun, 29 Mar 2026 09:44:51 GMT]]>@raymaccarthy @rpsu
Why cant there be different time zones in the Island of Ireland?
Or Northern Ireland having a different time zone to mainland UK?

Different timezones within a landmass or within the same country aren't exceptional

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.world/users/OliverNoble/statuses/116311817670015248https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.world/users/OliverNoble/statuses/116311817670015248Sun, 29 Mar 2026 09:44:51 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Today is the EU-wide why-on-earth-we-do-it - day, when we move clocks for no reason, but just because our governing system does not know how to stop it. on Sun, 29 Mar 2026 09:30:34 GMT]]>@muri @osma @rpsu @ysbreker I have always (even before arguing about this on IRC in about 1990) argued that we should dump this summer/winter fiasco as I never believed the arguments for it were relevant today. Regarding CET across Europe I also thought societies naturally adjust their working day so you see e.g. later dining in Spain which brings it closer to that of the UK than France and Germany. And finally, since I was discussing this on this wonderful new "Internet" I argued that it would help everybody if everybody used GMT (now UTC) as a second reference time for arranging meetings etc. If everyone was used to knowing time in both local and international, that would make life a lot easier.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/users/mossman/statuses/116311761499247322https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/users/mossman/statuses/116311761499247322Sun, 29 Mar 2026 09:30:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Today is the EU-wide why-on-earth-we-do-it - day, when we move clocks for no reason, but just because our governing system does not know how to stop it. on Sun, 29 Mar 2026 09:15:07 GMT]]>@electricfusionQ Sunrise at 3 in the morning seems to be how it goes in the Nordics. It does not make me or anyone around me get up at that time.

My point is people are so used to day starting sometime between 6-9 in the morning it is far easier to get rid of summer timelight "saving" than asking everyone to use united timezone in larger scale than how it already is.

Lesser fight is easier to win, even when it is a big fight.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mas.to/users/rpsu/statuses/116311700739047711https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mas.to/users/rpsu/statuses/116311700739047711Sun, 29 Mar 2026 09:15:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Today is the EU-wide why-on-earth-we-do-it - day, when we move clocks for no reason, but just because our governing system does not know how to stop it. on Sun, 29 Mar 2026 09:12:51 GMT]]>@rpsu Mietin tänään ~70 vuotiaana kiivetessäni keittiöjakkaralle kääntääkseni seinäkellon viisareita, miten muutenkin kiireiset kotiavut/-hoitajat ehtii käännellä asiakkaidensa kelloja, iäkkäämpien kuin minä, huonokuntoisten joilla ei enää mitään asiaa keittiöjakkaroille, ketkä eivät enää edes näe ja senioripuhelimessakin kello laitettava uuteen aikaan.. Kun kaikki ei edes tällaiseen kykene. Paristot voi vaihtaa sormituntumalla tjms. mutta viisareita ei lasien takaa..

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/pipanella/statuses/116311691865321146https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/pipanella/statuses/116311691865321146Sun, 29 Mar 2026 09:12:51 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Today is the EU-wide why-on-earth-we-do-it - day, when we move clocks for no reason, but just because our governing system does not know how to stop it. on Sun, 29 Mar 2026 09:12:11 GMT]]>@cadellin @mjt @rpsu ooohhh. I never understood why it made such a mess of calendars (and I've lived it on both sides of the Atlantic). I see it now 🤦‍♀️.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://cosocial.ca/users/deborahh/statuses/116311689205936576https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://cosocial.ca/users/deborahh/statuses/116311689205936576Sun, 29 Mar 2026 09:12:11 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Today is the EU-wide why-on-earth-we-do-it - day, when we move clocks for no reason, but just because our governing system does not know how to stop it. on Sun, 29 Mar 2026 09:05:10 GMT]]>@rpsu
Abolish clocks altogether and just use unix timestamps.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mstdn.social/users/shadowdancer/statuses/116311661661947795https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mstdn.social/users/shadowdancer/statuses/116311661661947795Sun, 29 Mar 2026 09:05:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Today is the EU-wide why-on-earth-we-do-it - day, when we move clocks for no reason, but just because our governing system does not know how to stop it. on Sun, 29 Mar 2026 09:01:50 GMT]]>@rpsu Then look up the facts what would happen w/ summer or winter time only at the most west or east points.
e.g Spain. always summer time would mean sun-up around 10am during winter.
e.g. Poland always winter(normal) time means sun-up at 3am during summer.
This is worse for the health in comparison this 1h jump.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://muenchen.social/users/electricfusionQ/statuses/116311648523504676https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://muenchen.social/users/electricfusionQ/statuses/116311648523504676Sun, 29 Mar 2026 09:01:50 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Today is the EU-wide why-on-earth-we-do-it - day, when we move clocks for no reason, but just because our governing system does not know how to stop it. on Sun, 29 Mar 2026 08:56:46 GMT]]>@osma @rpsu @ysbreker
"Time is an illusion; lunchtime, doubly so." - Douglas Adams

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://troet.cafe/users/muri/statuses/116311628597951120https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://troet.cafe/users/muri/statuses/116311628597951120Sun, 29 Mar 2026 08:56:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Today is the EU-wide why-on-earth-we-do-it - day, when we move clocks for no reason, but just because our governing system does not know how to stop it. on Sun, 29 Mar 2026 08:40:59 GMT]]>@rpsu Greenwich meridian is upon us, ffs.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/josemachete79/statuses/116311566560975798https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/josemachete79/statuses/116311566560975798Sun, 29 Mar 2026 08:40:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Today is the EU-wide why-on-earth-we-do-it - day, when we move clocks for no reason, but just because our governing system does not know how to stop it. on Sun, 29 Mar 2026 08:39:05 GMT]]>@rpsu don't mention here in Spain we are in the same timezone as Berlin since Tia Paca times, so he could wish Hitler happy bday without having to worry about being late or early. Absolut BS.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/josemachete79/statuses/116311559059704882https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/josemachete79/statuses/116311559059704882Sun, 29 Mar 2026 08:39:05 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Today is the EU-wide why-on-earth-we-do-it - day, when we move clocks for no reason, but just because our governing system does not know how to stop it. on Sun, 29 Mar 2026 08:36:57 GMT]]>@rpsu Check the law carefully. The daylight-saving-time proponents on West Coast USA stopped an initiative some years back by redirecting from permanent standard time to permanent daylight-savings time. Most people (myself included) didn't care which time, as long as time didn't change.

Except that USA Federal law allows any state to unilaterally revert back to standard time, but an act of USA Congress is requited for a state to move to permanent daylight-savings time. Which meant that the resulting state laws had no effect.

Clever, these hobbits... 😕]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.kernel.org/objects/1592cd58-bbc6-4023-99cc-79e78e4cefaehttps://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.kernel.org/objects/1592cd58-bbc6-4023-99cc-79e78e4cefaeSun, 29 Mar 2026 08:36:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Today is the EU-wide why-on-earth-we-do-it - day, when we move clocks for no reason, but just because our governing system does not know how to stop it. on Sun, 29 Mar 2026 08:35:30 GMT]]>@rpsu I actually thought about it hard recently and realised that while I hate changing the timezone I actually like bright mornings in winter and bright evenings in summer.
That being said, everyone has their own preference. So I think the society will not be ready to abolish time changes as long as we are not ready to admit that everyone has a different biological clock and we all don't need to work 8-16 all year round and it's fine for business to change opening times once in a while.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/115810959970060387/statuses/116311544976383129https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/115810959970060387/statuses/116311544976383129Sun, 29 Mar 2026 08:35:30 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Today is the EU-wide why-on-earth-we-do-it - day, when we move clocks for no reason, but just because our governing system does not know how to stop it. on Sun, 29 Mar 2026 08:34:09 GMT]]>I could live on UTC, but I don't think for a second that majority opinion would support it anywhere but on the British isles and maybe Iceland. Anyway our solar noon is about 12:20 standard local time and pretending it's actually 13:20 then is ridiculous.
@muri @rpsu @ysbreker

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mas.to/users/osma/statuses/116311539672802991https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mas.to/users/osma/statuses/116311539672802991Sun, 29 Mar 2026 08:34:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Today is the EU-wide why-on-earth-we-do-it - day, when we move clocks for no reason, but just because our governing system does not know how to stop it. on Sun, 29 Mar 2026 08:29:57 GMT]]>@electricfusionQ @rpsu I would argue it daylight saving time matters mostly for the western part of the EU, because for example Poland is almost perfectly aligned with the UTC+1

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/115810959970060387/statuses/116311523145304797https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/115810959970060387/statuses/116311523145304797Sun, 29 Mar 2026 08:29:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Today is the EU-wide why-on-earth-we-do-it - day, when we move clocks for no reason, but just because our governing system does not know how to stop it. on Sun, 29 Mar 2026 08:27:45 GMT]]>@osma @rpsu @ysbreker Ah sorry, I misread your 3rd point multiple times and thought you were arguing for local timezones. I think we're on the same page actually.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://troet.cafe/users/muri/statuses/116311514520358376https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://troet.cafe/users/muri/statuses/116311514520358376Sun, 29 Mar 2026 08:27:45 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Today is the EU-wide why-on-earth-we-do-it - day, when we move clocks for no reason, but just because our governing system does not know how to stop it. on Sun, 29 Mar 2026 08:25:04 GMT]]>@electricfusionQ I disagree about the ”only logical”-part. It surely would be one option, even if highly unlikely to happen IMHO.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mas.to/users/rpsu/statuses/116311503988100662https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mas.to/users/rpsu/statuses/116311503988100662Sun, 29 Mar 2026 08:25:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Today is the EU-wide why-on-earth-we-do-it - day, when we move clocks for no reason, but just because our governing system does not know how to stop it. on Sun, 29 Mar 2026 08:22:28 GMT]]>Why 3 what?

Here (60N 25E), sun goes up at 00:54 UTC at midsummer, 07:24 UTC midwinter and sets at 19:47/13:16. Shops open any time between 05 and 08. Lunch is served from 09 to 12 UTC.
@muri @rpsu @ysbreker

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mas.to/users/osma/statuses/116311493766359772https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mas.to/users/osma/statuses/116311493766359772Sun, 29 Mar 2026 08:22:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Today is the EU-wide why-on-earth-we-do-it - day, when we move clocks for no reason, but just because our governing system does not know how to stop it. on Sun, 29 Mar 2026 08:08:03 GMT]]>@rpsu A small inconvenience for you. For people living on the most west or most east point of the time zone it makes a huge difference.

The only really logical thing to do would be to shrink the CET.
Spain moves into the same time zone as POR or GB, Northmacedonia, Serbia, Slovakia, Hungary, Poland (?) are moving to the time zone of FIN and GR.
Before this didn´t happen talking about an abolition of the daylight saving time is pointless.

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]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://muenchen.social/users/electricfusionQ/statuses/116311437036032507https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://muenchen.social/users/electricfusionQ/statuses/116311437036032507Sun, 29 Mar 2026 08:08:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Today is the EU-wide why-on-earth-we-do-it - day, when we move clocks for no reason, but just because our governing system does not know how to stop it. on Sun, 29 Mar 2026 08:07:24 GMT]]>@osma @rpsu @ysbreker mostly agree, but why 3 though?
If we just ignored local time zones and used UTC everywhere, don't you think people would adapt to "sun goes up at 17h in summer or 18h in winter, shops open at 18h, lunch break at 22h, ..."?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://troet.cafe/users/muri/statuses/116311434518127204https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://troet.cafe/users/muri/statuses/116311434518127204Sun, 29 Mar 2026 08:07:24 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Today is the EU-wide why-on-earth-we-do-it - day, when we move clocks for no reason, but just because our governing system does not know how to stop it. on Sun, 29 Mar 2026 08:05:44 GMT]]>@cojajo @rpsu I know someone that had a burnout a few years ago. She just stopped moving the clock. It wasn't the only change she did in her life, she in general changed everything from leaving job and husband to moving town so I guess stopping with the insanity of daylight savings time wasn't such a big step any more 🙂

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mas.to/users/eq/statuses/116311427913457385https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mas.to/users/eq/statuses/116311427913457385Sun, 29 Mar 2026 08:05:44 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Today is the EU-wide why-on-earth-we-do-it - day, when we move clocks for no reason, but just because our governing system does not know how to stop it. on Sun, 29 Mar 2026 08:01:15 GMT]]>@rpsu I live in BC in Canada and right before we put the clocks forward a few weeks ago they announced that it was the last time we were doing it.

I wish they'd just left them alone entirely, but I'm glad we're done with this nonsense.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://kind.social/users/retrosponge/statuses/116311410289822274https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://kind.social/users/retrosponge/statuses/116311410289822274Sun, 29 Mar 2026 08:01:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Today is the EU-wide why-on-earth-we-do-it - day, when we move clocks for no reason, but just because our governing system does not know how to stop it. on Sun, 29 Mar 2026 07:53:13 GMT]]>I'm still so salty that it should've stopped in the EU in 2019, latest 2021, but the measure has just stalled since then. Even though most seem to agree it should end. Urgh

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.online/users/layn75/statuses/116311378753229853https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.online/users/layn75/statuses/116311378753229853Sun, 29 Mar 2026 07:53:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Today is the EU-wide why-on-earth-we-do-it - day, when we move clocks for no reason, but just because our governing system does not know how to stop it. on Sun, 29 Mar 2026 07:49:29 GMT]]>1. Time is universal, clock is a construction.
2. It's 5 am somewhere 24 times every rotation.
3. I don't want it to be 5 am where I am at the same time it is 5 am at the kremlin.
4. 13 hours 2 minutes of daylight here at 60N today, never mind what hour hand is pointing at.
@rpsu @ysbreker

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