"Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone"

[dademurphy@toot.community]

@benroyce @skulesz@mastodon.social @purism How long am I supposed to wait until gatekeepers like yourself allow me to speak? Would my comment be any more/less accurate if I had been here for ten years with 1000 followers? No, only petty, ignorant people like yourself use such silly metrics.

How is Linux doing? It’s still on the outside looking in, clown. Only tech savvy people use it, most still use a Mac or PC, just like most cell phone users use Android or iOS. ‍️

[alienghic@timeloop.cafe]

@dademurphy

Dude its just a tool and all the communication features are international standards and work with the purism.

So what if it can't install popular software. That's not cutting himself off.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@dademurphy @skulesz @purism

the only thing that confuses me about loser trolls like @dademurphy is they are champing at the bit for someone to take the bait. then someone does like me, and i get the idiotic reply, then the instablock

why don't they want to play with me?

because i shove their stupid shit right back at them?

play with me trolls, i am here for you. let me help you with your weak cringe cope

[superblox@mastodon.social]

@janvlug If we want opensource mobile OSes to succeed, they need officially supported banking apps and identity verification apps. These are crucial to me but they only exist on iOS and Android.

[khleedril@cyberplace.social]

@janvlug Is encrypted messaging available? Signal?

[lil5@social.linux.pizza]

@pwaring @janvlug I think(correct me if I’m wrong) that the idea is to use the web browser and a yubikey instead of apps. If a government/bank complains about you not having an android device that’s on them to give you an alternative.

Jan is going full RMS on mobile devices, and I thanks that’s epic!

[dademurphy@toot.community]

@alienghic it literally is, but it’s pretty clear y’all want to die on that hill so who am I to stop you?

People have been trying to bring Linux devices to the commercial forefront and it will never happen, it will always be a niche for the tech savvy, Android and iOS rule the market and that’s not going to change any time soon.

All because Google wants developers to identify themselves, if you think using a Linux device is winning, I would hate to see what you consider losing.

[codo@fosstodon.org]

@dos @janvlug I just read in thread from a few weeks back that the modem data connections is unreliable for three years. https://fosstodon.org/@mrlakes@mastodon.nl/116368650601409490

[laumapret@toot.lv]

@janvlug
Can you use Signal and some kind of OpenStreetMap navigation? Can you use Android apps in general and is it complicated? Or is it more like using whatever could run on Linux desktop?

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@felipe @dademurphy

it's a troll

a bad one

it's really important to the troll that Librem5 not be considered by anyone

but all the troll is truly communicating is that they are really emotional about hating on Librem5, for whatever deranged reason

[aamfp@fosstodon.org]

@janvlug
Except for the fact that they all are way out of my budget for a phone (I don't want to waste more than 200 € for a phone!), I'm not sure all "mandatory" apps I have to use are compatible with those phones (bank, government, SPID, school and health-related, ...) and anyway I won't spend such money unless I'm sure of that.
Sorry, would really love to switch (especially to EU phones!), but can't afford that.

[janvlug@mastodon.social]

@mihamarkic I've always some difficulties with the phrase "EU based" when it comes to Free and Open Source Software (#FOSS). FOSS is often developed by a worldwide community of people and organizations.

Whet it comes to e.g. cloud hosting, EU jurisdiction is indeed very important, but not for free Linux distributions imo. The user is in full control, the code is transparant.

As a side note: Imagine that all people would collaborate like the FOSS community.

[mihamarkic@mastodon.social]

@janvlug How so? If an American company is hosting the cloud (regardless of what software they use), they fall under US jurisdiction no matter where data is stored. And US jurisdiction is a huge risk. If you care about your data that is.

[janvlug@mastodon.social]

@jajo Sorry, I cannot answer this question, I'm not familiar with BankID and Swish.

For banking I actually never use my phone, I use a browser on my Linux desktop or Linux laptop. I can use the browser for banking on the #Librem5 as well though.

[jajo@mastodon.nu]

@janvlug For me and everybody else in the nordic countries they use these apps and it's a no go without them.

[janvlug@mastodon.social]

@lil5 @pwaring

I use preferably only free and open source apps, native for Linux. Using the browser is also totally fine for me.

I oppose using apps that only are available via Google or Apple, or that only run on their operating systems.

Someone wrote a very informative page about #appdwang (in Dutch):

Bied weerstand tegen appdwang! | appdwang.nl

Bied weerstand tegen appdwang en laat je geen apps opdringen! Op appdwang.nl vind je praktijkvoorbeelden en argumenten om duidelijk te maken wat je van appdwang vindt.

(appdwang.nl)

[janvlug@mastodon.social]

@moritz

Thanks for the link to the article. I was not aware of this concern nor this article. My point of view is that personal freedom is not absolute.

In the Librem One Code of Conduct is stated: "This community will not tolerate harassment of any kind."

Librem One Code of Conduct -

This community is dedicated to providing a harassment-free experience for everyone. We do not tolerate harassment of participants in any form.

(librem.one)

I do not know of any fascist or Nazi content being published on Purism platforms. If there is, please provide me a link, and I will take action.

The Reporting section describes how is dealt with this.

@Gina

[dos@social.librem.one]

@jajo @janvlug Here in Poland there is one kind of instant payments that can't be done without my bank's mobile app (Blik) - but their Android app works fine in Waydroid.

Some banks around the world require platform attestation which is extremely user hostile though. If your bank is among those, you should complain to them and maybe look for alternatives.

[janvlug@mastodon.social]

@codo

Unfortunately modem data still breaks now and then. To place it in perspective, I loose mobile internet at most once in a few days nowadays. Lack of connectivity is clearly indicated by an icon in the top bar when it happens, so you are at least aware of it.
I have the impression that this connectivity loss happens less and less, but that is a subjective impression. Maybe I should try to measure to be more exact.

@dos

[jajo@mastodon.nu]

@dos Sounds like the swedish Bankid and swish. Almost every phone here iphone och android uses is. So easy! @janvlug