"Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone"
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"Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone"
Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone
: Both Cupertino and Google are imposing ever stricter limits on their phones – but you have alternatives
theregister (www.theregister.com)
I use a #Librem5 #Linux #phone. With the default #PureOS operating system.
Enjoy your #freedom, break free from #Google and #Apple.
Have a full Linux computer in your pocket that you can also use for calling.
Questions? Ask me.
@janvlug what languages are the APIs available in?
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hello troll account under one week old with no followers
you got some nice bites today!
congratulations on your boring garden variety "haha you suck. everything sucks. haha" edgelord shit
i'll bite too:
i'm old. i remember this heavy breathing bullshit about linux in the 1990s on slashdot
and how is linux doing today, my fine sir?
people are always trying new things. some suck. some are the future
that's it
you don't know the future, so fuck off shitwit
@benroyce @skulesz@mastodon.social @purism How long am I supposed to wait until gatekeepers like yourself allow me to speak? Would my comment be any more/less accurate if I had been here for ten years with 1000 followers? No, only petty, ignorant people like yourself use such silly metrics.
How is Linux doing? It’s still on the outside looking in, clown. Only tech savvy people use it, most still use a Mac or PC, just like most cell phone users use Android or iOS.
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Dude its just a tool and all the communication features are international standards and work with the purism.
So what if it can't install popular software. That's not cutting himself off.
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hello troll account under one week old with no followers
you got some nice bites today!
congratulations on your boring garden variety "haha you suck. everything sucks. haha" edgelord shit
i'll bite too:
i'm old. i remember this heavy breathing bullshit about linux in the 1990s on slashdot
and how is linux doing today, my fine sir?
people are always trying new things. some suck. some are the future
that's it
you don't know the future, so fuck off shitwit
the only thing that confuses me about loser trolls like @dademurphy is they are champing at the bit for someone to take the bait. then someone does like me, and i get the idiotic reply, then the instablock
why don't they want to play with me?
because i shove their stupid shit right back at them?
play with me trolls, i am here for you. let me help you with your weak cringe cope
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"Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone"
Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone
: Both Cupertino and Google are imposing ever stricter limits on their phones – but you have alternatives
theregister (www.theregister.com)
I use a #Librem5 #Linux #phone. With the default #PureOS operating system.
Enjoy your #freedom, break free from #Google and #Apple.
Have a full Linux computer in your pocket that you can also use for calling.
Questions? Ask me.
@janvlug If we want opensource mobile OSes to succeed, they need officially supported banking apps and identity verification apps. These are crucial to me but they only exist on iOS and Android.
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"Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone"
Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone
: Both Cupertino and Google are imposing ever stricter limits on their phones – but you have alternatives
theregister (www.theregister.com)
I use a #Librem5 #Linux #phone. With the default #PureOS operating system.
Enjoy your #freedom, break free from #Google and #Apple.
Have a full Linux computer in your pocket that you can also use for calling.
Questions? Ask me.
@janvlug Is encrypted messaging available? Signal?
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@janvlug Can you run apps that try to detect if you've rooted your phone, like banking apps (and in my country, even the official health app)?
@pwaring @janvlug I think(correct me if I’m wrong) that the idea is to use the web browser and a yubikey instead of apps. If a government/bank complains about you not having an android device that’s on them to give you an alternative.
Jan is going full RMS on mobile devices, and I thanks that’s epic!
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Dude its just a tool and all the communication features are international standards and work with the purism.
So what if it can't install popular software. That's not cutting himself off.
@alienghic it literally is, but it’s pretty clear y’all want to die on that hill so who am I to stop you?
People have been trying to bring Linux devices to the commercial forefront and it will never happen, it will always be a niche for the tech savvy, Android and iOS rule the market and that’s not going to change any time soon.
All because Google wants developers to identify themselves, if you think using a Linux device is winning, I would hate to see what you consider losing.
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@dos @janvlug Thank you both for the answers. I'd love to see Purism get better and more widely available, but I'm not prepared to be an adopter yet. I used to think my requirements were quite minimal, but when using the Librem I've realized all the functionality that I've been taking for granted on /e/OS.
@dos @janvlug I just read in thread from a few weeks back that the modem data connections is unreliable for three years. https://fosstodon.org/@mrlakes@mastodon.nl/116368650601409490
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"Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone"
Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone
: Both Cupertino and Google are imposing ever stricter limits on their phones – but you have alternatives
theregister (www.theregister.com)
I use a #Librem5 #Linux #phone. With the default #PureOS operating system.
Enjoy your #freedom, break free from #Google and #Apple.
Have a full Linux computer in your pocket that you can also use for calling.
Questions? Ask me.
@janvlug
Can you use Signal and some kind of OpenStreetMap navigation? Can you use Android apps in general and is it complicated? Or is it more like using whatever could run on Linux desktop? -
@dademurphy what exactly are you on about
it's a troll
a bad one
it's really important to the troll that Librem5 not be considered by anyone
but all the troll is truly communicating is that they are really emotional about hating on Librem5, for whatever deranged reason
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"Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone"
Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone
: Both Cupertino and Google are imposing ever stricter limits on their phones – but you have alternatives
theregister (www.theregister.com)
I use a #Librem5 #Linux #phone. With the default #PureOS operating system.
Enjoy your #freedom, break free from #Google and #Apple.
Have a full Linux computer in your pocket that you can also use for calling.
Questions? Ask me.
@janvlug
Except for the fact that they all are way out of my budget for a phone (I don't want to waste more than 200 € for a phone!), I'm not sure all "mandatory" apps I have to use are compatible with those phones (bank, government, SPID, school and health-related, ...) and anyway I won't spend such money unless I'm sure of that.
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@janvlug I'd consider an EU based OS instead, like Sailfish, but then again it only runs on their devices and it isn't completely OSS. Degoogled options aren't bad as well, mostly because of the rich development community and tools, but then again it might some day cease existing. It's a tricky situation, so many options.
@mihamarkic I've always some difficulties with the phrase "EU based" when it comes to Free and Open Source Software (#FOSS). FOSS is often developed by a worldwide community of people and organizations.
Whet it comes to e.g. cloud hosting, EU jurisdiction is indeed very important, but not for free Linux distributions imo. The user is in full control, the code is transparant.
As a side note: Imagine that all people would collaborate like the FOSS community.
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@mihamarkic I've always some difficulties with the phrase "EU based" when it comes to Free and Open Source Software (#FOSS). FOSS is often developed by a worldwide community of people and organizations.
Whet it comes to e.g. cloud hosting, EU jurisdiction is indeed very important, but not for free Linux distributions imo. The user is in full control, the code is transparant.
As a side note: Imagine that all people would collaborate like the FOSS community.
@janvlug How so? If an American company is hosting the cloud (regardless of what software they use), they fall under US jurisdiction no matter where data is stored. And US jurisdiction is a huge risk. If you care about your data that is.
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@janvlug One important question, van it handle BankID and Swish? Made for bankhandling and monytransfer?
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@janvlug For me and everybody else in the nordic countries they use these apps and it's a no go without them.
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@pwaring @janvlug I think(correct me if I’m wrong) that the idea is to use the web browser and a yubikey instead of apps. If a government/bank complains about you not having an android device that’s on them to give you an alternative.
Jan is going full RMS on mobile devices, and I thanks that’s epic!
I use preferably only free and open source apps, native for Linux. Using the browser is also totally fine for me.
I oppose using apps that only are available via Google or Apple, or that only run on their operating systems.
Someone wrote a very informative page about #appdwang (in Dutch):
Bied weerstand tegen appdwang! | appdwang.nl
Bied weerstand tegen appdwang en laat je geen apps opdringen! Op appdwang.nl vind je praktijkvoorbeelden en argumenten om duidelijk te maken wat je van appdwang vindt.
(appdwang.nl)
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@janvlug @Gina How do you deal with Purism‘s enablement of fascists and Nazis by allowing them to utilize their platform as a safe harbor?
PS: There are A TON of articles[^1] about them on the web concerning this topic, and you’d really be hard-pressed not to have heard of any of it; but maybe that’s the goal? “Free” hardware over anything?
[1] Example: https://anarc.at/blog/2019-05-13-free-speech/
Thanks for the link to the article. I was not aware of this concern nor this article. My point of view is that personal freedom is not absolute.
In the Librem One Code of Conduct is stated: "This community will not tolerate harassment of any kind."
Librem One Code of Conduct -
This community is dedicated to providing a harassment-free experience for everyone. We do not tolerate harassment of participants in any form.
(librem.one)
I do not know of any fascist or Nazi content being published on Purism platforms. If there is, please provide me a link, and I will take action.
The Reporting section describes how is dealt with this.
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@janvlug For me and everybody else in the nordic countries they use these apps and it's a no go without them.
@jajo @janvlug Here in Poland there is one kind of instant payments that can't be done without my bank's mobile app (Blik) - but their Android app works fine in Waydroid.
Some banks around the world require platform attestation which is extremely user hostile though. If your bank is among those, you should complain to them and maybe look for alternatives.
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@dos @janvlug I just read in thread from a few weeks back that the modem data connections is unreliable for three years. https://fosstodon.org/@mrlakes@mastodon.nl/116368650601409490
Unfortunately modem data still breaks now and then. To place it in perspective, I loose mobile internet at most once in a few days nowadays. Lack of connectivity is clearly indicated by an icon in the top bar when it happens, so you are at least aware of it.
I have the impression that this connectivity loss happens less and less, but that is a subjective impression. Maybe I should try to measure to be more exact.
