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  • leonardof@bertha.socialL leonardof@bertha.social

    @eltonfc quer resposta em português também??

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    @leonardof arrgh limitação do Moshidon que não mostra o idioma, só o botão para mudar

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    • J jjj@functional.cafe

      @eltonfc I understand that. As I wrote it is the same in Swedish. I don't understand what you mean with how they are usually translated. That would depend on the original text, I can't say how often either is used in general.

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      @jjj my point is that the same string "Close" is translated to Swedish in the imperative form and to Portuguese in the infinitive form. I'm curious how it's done in other languages.

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      • eltonfc@bertha.socialE eltonfc@bertha.social

        @leonardof arrgh limitação do Moshidon que não mostra o idioma, só o botão para mudar

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        @eltonfc 😅

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        • eltonfc@bertha.socialE eltonfc@bertha.social

          English speakers of the fedi. In a software with the interface in English, Reading a menu with verbs such as Save, Open, Close, Edit, Format etc., do you read them as imperative (an order: "do this") or as an infinitive (the "base form" of the verb, like "to do this")?

          Are you a native speaker or have English as a second language?

          #Dev #ux #ui #software #interface #translation #uiux #uxui #gui

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          @eltonfc tbh as a native english speaker I've gotten to the point where I see those words in menus as *nouns* rather than verbs. (I may have been computering too long, that's a valid observation)

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          • eltonfc@bertha.socialE eltonfc@bertha.social

            @jjj my point is that the same string "Close" is translated to Swedish in the imperative form and to Portuguese in the infinitive form. I'm curious how it's done in other languages.

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            @eltonfc Ok, I understand now, I think.

            The results of your polls are very interesting and surprising to me. I didn't know of this difference.

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            • eltonfc@bertha.socialE eltonfc@bertha.social

              English speakers of the fedi. In a software with the interface in English, Reading a menu with verbs such as Save, Open, Close, Edit, Format etc., do you read them as imperative (an order: "do this") or as an infinitive (the "base form" of the verb, like "to do this")?

              Are you a native speaker or have English as a second language?

              #Dev #ux #ui #software #interface #translation #uiux #uxui #gui

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              @eltonfc I think most verbs in menus are intended to be imperative, with whatever is selected being the noun (eg copy *this*).

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              • eltonfc@bertha.socialE eltonfc@bertha.social

                English speakers of the fedi. In a software with the interface in English, Reading a menu with verbs such as Save, Open, Close, Edit, Format etc., do you read them as imperative (an order: "do this") or as an infinitive (the "base form" of the verb, like "to do this")?

                Are you a native speaker or have English as a second language?

                #Dev #ux #ui #software #interface #translation #uiux #uxui #gui

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                @eltonfc I don't think in either imperative or infinitive etc - as a native speaker, I just think in terms of knowing the thing I want to do is if I click on the option with that name.

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                • eltonfc@bertha.socialE eltonfc@bertha.social

                  English speakers of the fedi. In a software with the interface in English, Reading a menu with verbs such as Save, Open, Close, Edit, Format etc., do you read them as imperative (an order: "do this") or as an infinitive (the "base form" of the verb, like "to do this")?

                  Are you a native speaker or have English as a second language?

                  #Dev #ux #ui #software #interface #translation #uiux #uxui #gui

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                  @eltonfc needs an option "native speaker, doesn't understand the question"

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                  • lritter@mastodon.gamedev.placeL lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place

                    @dveditz @eltonfc a lot of these menu options lead to places though, dialogs. so you're figuratively entering a conversation. a command line rarely does that. your instructions are expected to be complete.

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                    @lritter @eltonfc

                    fair point. in English those items use the imperative followed by "..." (an incomplete command?). An infinitive would make sense in that context and I could imagine a "To Print" or similar menu, but I've never seen one. The English form used is imperative.

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                    • mattdm@hachyderm.ioM mattdm@hachyderm.io

                      @virtulis @eltonfc

                      To me:

                      "Rename file [to a name I will provide]."

                      I wonder how much this has to do with growing up with command-line interfaces vs graphical ones.

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                      @mattdm @virtulis @eltonfc

                      To me, a Brit, it’s [I want to] Rename File. I had to ponder this, though, because I genuinely wasn’t sure how I think about it, at first. Perhaps with a GUI I’m hoping to do something, whereas with a CLI I can be more confident and use the imperative 😆

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