I have a question:Here in Germany we got an acronym: FLINTA.

[doppelgrau@anarres.family]

@enbypirate @ciara @ics @SymTrkl And from what I heard often even worse, not only that the "FL" part is so dominant, but also the organizers assume all people attending are fine being gendered female => trans masc people are misgendered in the worst way then.

[enbypirate@lgbtqia.space]

@doppelgrau @ciara @ics @SymTrkl to quote a very good (also AMAB and super gay) friend of mine: FLINTA is just a cool way to say "woman"

[ciara@anarres.family]

@enbypirate @doppelgrau @ics @SymTrkl eww it really does sound that way

[enbypirate@lgbtqia.space]

@ciara @doppelgrau @ics @SymTrkl even though I can imagine that people are doing the stuff that Ellejay described, I don't know any FLINTA only spaces or people who assume everyone has she/her as pronouns.

[emmeline@hoosier.social]

@enbypirate in America, the oppression against the community is so bad that pretty much any trans friendly space is open to any member of the community, no questions asked. These spaces often have to serve multiple social groups to survive financially. For example, the most famous trans friendly bar in Minnesota operates as a soccer bar in daytime hours to keep the lights on.

[derginko@mastodon.social]

@enbypirate I Write as a non trans women, I would find it difficult to my trans masc friend (who is good in passing) to go there and one makes assumptions about the femininity of him. It seems like an outing.
But that’s just my perspective @doppelgrau @ciara @ics @SymTrkl

[shadesofgrease@lgbtqia.space]

@enbypirate I am not comfortable with that term at all. I understand it only has one meaning and purpose, excluding cis men. Where is the logic in that?

1st everyone of the included groups can be an asshole, too

2nd if trans whatever are whatever, there should be no need to mention T at all

[ics@tau-ceti.space]

@DerGinko @enbypirate @doppelgrau @ciara @SymTrkl That's the problem I think, not necessarily that including trans men is problematic (because there is the "T" in there) but rather that those spaces are so feminine-coded that they wouldn't feel accepted. Look, even for me, who most of the time presents femme-to-butch those spaces are problematic because I feel they erase my non-binary and genderfluid identity

[ciara@anarres.family]

@ics
Yes I agree 100%. It doesn’t matter how it’s described, if people who should be welcome don’t feel accepted then it’s not as inclusive as claimed. It’s a shame because it sounded like a group I would enjoy being part of if it was like I thought it was

@DerGinko @enbypirate @doppelgrau @SymTrkl

[symtrkl@anarres.family]

@ciara @ics Yeah, same. If I wanted a femme-only space that felt hostile to other queers, there are plenty of fedi instances full of tirfs I could already be on.
@DerGinko @enbypirate @doppelgrau

[emmeline@hoosier.social]

@shadesofgrease In American spaces this kind of discrimination wouldn’t be tolerated and any space that attempts to practice it would be blacklisted by large segments of the community. I don’t know how this works in Europe but the politics of this nation doesn’t allow spaces to police like this.

[schlupf@kinkycats.org]

@enbypirate is the "L" in FLINTA redundant or not?

[enbypirate@lgbtqia.space]

@schlupf why would it be? Lesbian is a gender identity as well

[schlupf@kinkycats.org]

@enbypirate Always thought of it as a sexual orientation... But you can't be lesbian with a cis male body, or can you?
(Not trying to be funny or anything, just seriously confused and hopefully about to learn something)

[enbypirate@lgbtqia.space]

@schlupf ehm.. That depends on how you define a cis-male body I think

What I do know is that there are hard discussions wether it should be FINTA or FLINTA