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In Yesterday's IO Keynote Google declared war on the remnants of the Web.

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  • wuppi@social.tchncs.deW wuppi@social.tchncs.de

    @tante exactly that. Never used a google service (I know of as many pages just load these even with blockers activated) since 10 years as they became worse and worse. But all the time I missed something in case of search engine. Finally found @kagihq and are happy now. No more nonsense/ads/seo.

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    @wuppi @tante @kagihq
    To bad they're not even planning to make the browser available for Android.

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    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

      In Yesterday's IO Keynote Google declared war on the remnants of the Web.

      While they packaged it as a lot of "AI" talk what their whole approach of decontextualizing information, of taking away links to sources and instead producing some LLM generated response means is that they want to establish a new abstraction layer on the web. Where Zuckerberg with his Metaverse failed Google is starting the next attack: Your website, your work no longer matters.

      Well it matters as (unpaid) raw material for their synthetic text extruders but not as cultural artifact you can share with others.

      This is a literal revolution but one against the participatory web, against us: The goal is to take away the web and guide people into Google's abstraction on top of it. An abstraction they control and moderate. It's about monopolizing access to information.

      If you care about the web, about people's ability to participate in it as more than mere passive consumers, this needs to be taken seriously. De-Googlifying your mental apparatus becomes more urgent today. Find other search engines, don't use their browser. Or wake up in a slopified AOL kind of environment.

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      @tante Yea I have been working towards degoogling for a few months now. This takes some real focus and effort, and some investment which money is tighter than ever now!!

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      • thepwnicorn@infosec.exchangeT thepwnicorn@infosec.exchange

        @tante which alternative search engines have an independent search index that does not rely on Google or Microsoft/Bing?

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        @thepwnicorn @tante There's Mojeek, which is believe is based in the UK. They don't get data from either Google or Bing

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        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

          In Yesterday's IO Keynote Google declared war on the remnants of the Web.

          While they packaged it as a lot of "AI" talk what their whole approach of decontextualizing information, of taking away links to sources and instead producing some LLM generated response means is that they want to establish a new abstraction layer on the web. Where Zuckerberg with his Metaverse failed Google is starting the next attack: Your website, your work no longer matters.

          Well it matters as (unpaid) raw material for their synthetic text extruders but not as cultural artifact you can share with others.

          This is a literal revolution but one against the participatory web, against us: The goal is to take away the web and guide people into Google's abstraction on top of it. An abstraction they control and moderate. It's about monopolizing access to information.

          If you care about the web, about people's ability to participate in it as more than mere passive consumers, this needs to be taken seriously. De-Googlifying your mental apparatus becomes more urgent today. Find other search engines, don't use their browser. Or wake up in a slopified AOL kind of environment.

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          @tante this wont afect China or Russia. Google owns decilliins of $$$ on fines for Russia

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          • lritter@mastodon.gamedev.placeL lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place

            @tante this is all stock driven. if investors don't bite, these plans will just disappear.

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            @lritter @tante Investors shot on the biggest stack. And as Kim Stanley Robinson teaches us in "New York *2140*", we are those one in power. And willingly don't use it.

            The easiest way to fuck investors is to simply stop consuming the invested good. But everyone. And for at least 4 weeks. If Corporations understand that customers withdraw from their service for more than Months - they panic. Because the have running costs.

            But we silly monks simply don't utilize our power.

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            • cschack@social.vivaldi.netC cschack@social.vivaldi.net

              @thepwnicorn @tante There's Mojeek, which is believe is based in the UK. They don't get data from either Google or Bing

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              @cschack @tante Interesting! Haven't heard of them before. Will have a look later.

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                @lritter @tante Investors shot on the biggest stack. And as Kim Stanley Robinson teaches us in "New York *2140*", we are those one in power. And willingly don't use it.

                The easiest way to fuck investors is to simply stop consuming the invested good. But everyone. And for at least 4 weeks. If Corporations understand that customers withdraw from their service for more than Months - they panic. Because the have running costs.

                But we silly monks simply don't utilize our power.

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                @jackpearse @tante our company doesn't have the privilege to suspend our google dependencies.

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