In Yesterday's IO Keynote Google declared war on the remnants of the Web.
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@tante pretty sure I made it quite clear here https://infosec.exchange/@codinghorror/116606215038359341 I can definitely keep typing if ya want me to
@codinghorror I am 100% on board with you. I've shot against all those companies, have advised policians and parliaments to take action against them.
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In Yesterday's IO Keynote Google declared war on the remnants of the Web.
While they packaged it as a lot of "AI" talk what their whole approach of decontextualizing information, of taking away links to sources and instead producing some LLM generated response means is that they want to establish a new abstraction layer on the web. Where Zuckerberg with his Metaverse failed Google is starting the next attack: Your website, your work no longer matters.
Well it matters as (unpaid) raw material for their synthetic text extruders but not as cultural artifact you can share with others.
This is a literal revolution but one against the participatory web, against us: The goal is to take away the web and guide people into Google's abstraction on top of it. An abstraction they control and moderate. It's about monopolizing access to information.
If you care about the web, about people's ability to participate in it as more than mere passive consumers, this needs to be taken seriously. De-Googlifying your mental apparatus becomes more urgent today. Find other search engines, don't use their browser. Or wake up in a slopified AOL kind of environment.
@tante I think that this needs to be more widely known and it poses the question: how can you communicate this clearly to lay-people.
Here we are in a kind of echo-chamber with a techie bias. Many valid points are raised about subjects with broad impact, but I realise that a lot of the language and concepts are difficult if you are not experienced in the topic.
Note that this is not a plea to dumb down. If the message is so important, can we amplify it and spread it using language which a non-tech person would get without corrupting the meaning?
This applies to using the fediverse as well - how can it be communicated and made more accessible?
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@tante I think that this needs to be more widely known and it poses the question: how can you communicate this clearly to lay-people.
Here we are in a kind of echo-chamber with a techie bias. Many valid points are raised about subjects with broad impact, but I realise that a lot of the language and concepts are difficult if you are not experienced in the topic.
Note that this is not a plea to dumb down. If the message is so important, can we amplify it and spread it using language which a non-tech person would get without corrupting the meaning?
This applies to using the fediverse as well - how can it be communicated and made more accessible?
Why not having a web site with a curated list of your preferred trusted web sites ?
Or revive the Gopher protocol ?
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Why not having a web site with a curated list of your preferred trusted web sites ?
Or revive the Gopher protocol ?
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@tante ok so we're at war with ... (checks notes) Google? Not Meta? Not Microsoft? Not Amazon? Not Oracle? Not Palantir? Not Apple? Not Tesla? Not X?
@codinghorror @tante
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In Yesterday's IO Keynote Google declared war on the remnants of the Web.
While they packaged it as a lot of "AI" talk what their whole approach of decontextualizing information, of taking away links to sources and instead producing some LLM generated response means is that they want to establish a new abstraction layer on the web. Where Zuckerberg with his Metaverse failed Google is starting the next attack: Your website, your work no longer matters.
Well it matters as (unpaid) raw material for their synthetic text extruders but not as cultural artifact you can share with others.
This is a literal revolution but one against the participatory web, against us: The goal is to take away the web and guide people into Google's abstraction on top of it. An abstraction they control and moderate. It's about monopolizing access to information.
If you care about the web, about people's ability to participate in it as more than mere passive consumers, this needs to be taken seriously. De-Googlifying your mental apparatus becomes more urgent today. Find other search engines, don't use their browser. Or wake up in a slopified AOL kind of environment.
@tante
"De-Googling" our minds is urgent. They are using the open web as free raw material for AI, turning active participants into passive consumers in a closed, monopolized digital environment. Wake up before we end up in a sloppy AOL-style walled garden.
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Gopher was the ancestor of WWW.
Having a search functionnality, I used it in ancient times to look for documents on Internet.
The main advantage is that it is distributed.
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@tante ok so we're at war with ... (checks notes) Google? Not Meta? Not Microsoft? Not Amazon? Not Oracle? Not Palantir? Not Apple? Not Tesla? Not X?
@codinghorror @tante It's actually all of them... despite we are not really at war with them, because they need us to survive. So we are more at war with ourselves to actually care about the stuff we do and use every day.
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In Yesterday's IO Keynote Google declared war on the remnants of the Web.
While they packaged it as a lot of "AI" talk what their whole approach of decontextualizing information, of taking away links to sources and instead producing some LLM generated response means is that they want to establish a new abstraction layer on the web. Where Zuckerberg with his Metaverse failed Google is starting the next attack: Your website, your work no longer matters.
Well it matters as (unpaid) raw material for their synthetic text extruders but not as cultural artifact you can share with others.
This is a literal revolution but one against the participatory web, against us: The goal is to take away the web and guide people into Google's abstraction on top of it. An abstraction they control and moderate. It's about monopolizing access to information.
If you care about the web, about people's ability to participate in it as more than mere passive consumers, this needs to be taken seriously. De-Googlifying your mental apparatus becomes more urgent today. Find other search engines, don't use their browser. Or wake up in a slopified AOL kind of environment.
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In Yesterday's IO Keynote Google declared war on the remnants of the Web.
While they packaged it as a lot of "AI" talk what their whole approach of decontextualizing information, of taking away links to sources and instead producing some LLM generated response means is that they want to establish a new abstraction layer on the web. Where Zuckerberg with his Metaverse failed Google is starting the next attack: Your website, your work no longer matters.
Well it matters as (unpaid) raw material for their synthetic text extruders but not as cultural artifact you can share with others.
This is a literal revolution but one against the participatory web, against us: The goal is to take away the web and guide people into Google's abstraction on top of it. An abstraction they control and moderate. It's about monopolizing access to information.
If you care about the web, about people's ability to participate in it as more than mere passive consumers, this needs to be taken seriously. De-Googlifying your mental apparatus becomes more urgent today. Find other search engines, don't use their browser. Or wake up in a slopified AOL kind of environment.
@tante which alternative search engines have an independent search index that does not rely on Google or Microsoft/Bing?
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In Yesterday's IO Keynote Google declared war on the remnants of the Web.
While they packaged it as a lot of "AI" talk what their whole approach of decontextualizing information, of taking away links to sources and instead producing some LLM generated response means is that they want to establish a new abstraction layer on the web. Where Zuckerberg with his Metaverse failed Google is starting the next attack: Your website, your work no longer matters.
Well it matters as (unpaid) raw material for their synthetic text extruders but not as cultural artifact you can share with others.
This is a literal revolution but one against the participatory web, against us: The goal is to take away the web and guide people into Google's abstraction on top of it. An abstraction they control and moderate. It's about monopolizing access to information.
If you care about the web, about people's ability to participate in it as more than mere passive consumers, this needs to be taken seriously. De-Googlifying your mental apparatus becomes more urgent today. Find other search engines, don't use their browser. Or wake up in a slopified AOL kind of environment.
@tante those in control of information control power and given our current societal situation this not just bad for the web, it will affect all facets of life.
I just reread Animal Farm and the parallels are too close for comfort.
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In Yesterday's IO Keynote Google declared war on the remnants of the Web.
While they packaged it as a lot of "AI" talk what their whole approach of decontextualizing information, of taking away links to sources and instead producing some LLM generated response means is that they want to establish a new abstraction layer on the web. Where Zuckerberg with his Metaverse failed Google is starting the next attack: Your website, your work no longer matters.
Well it matters as (unpaid) raw material for their synthetic text extruders but not as cultural artifact you can share with others.
This is a literal revolution but one against the participatory web, against us: The goal is to take away the web and guide people into Google's abstraction on top of it. An abstraction they control and moderate. It's about monopolizing access to information.
If you care about the web, about people's ability to participate in it as more than mere passive consumers, this needs to be taken seriously. De-Googlifying your mental apparatus becomes more urgent today. Find other search engines, don't use their browser. Or wake up in a slopified AOL kind of environment.
@tante The really weird "Fediverse telepathy" effect at work here (more correctly C. G. Jung's synchronicity) is that I found myself writing in a text file last night, before the story we all saw broke: "Gradually grind away the Google" in relation to moving away from GMail for my private offsite backup alerts. There are tells (not conclusive proof) that they are illegally sharing training on private email content with Meta in violation of the GDPR and UK DPA.
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@tante I think that this needs to be more widely known and it poses the question: how can you communicate this clearly to lay-people.
Here we are in a kind of echo-chamber with a techie bias. Many valid points are raised about subjects with broad impact, but I realise that a lot of the language and concepts are difficult if you are not experienced in the topic.
Note that this is not a plea to dumb down. If the message is so important, can we amplify it and spread it using language which a non-tech person would get without corrupting the meaning?
This applies to using the fediverse as well - how can it be communicated and made more accessible?
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@tante I think that this needs to be more widely known and it poses the question: how can you communicate this clearly to lay-people.
Here we are in a kind of echo-chamber with a techie bias. Many valid points are raised about subjects with broad impact, but I realise that a lot of the language and concepts are difficult if you are not experienced in the topic.
Note that this is not a plea to dumb down. If the message is so important, can we amplify it and spread it using language which a non-tech person would get without corrupting the meaning?
This applies to using the fediverse as well - how can it be communicated and made more accessible?
@tribactam @tante But this guy might have some hints (his text just arrived this morning here): https://uk.sagepub.com/en-gb/eur/the-political-economy-of-communication/book231852
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@codinghorror Solid list Jeff, but I really don't understand why you're being a dick to @tante about this. "focus fire" also means minimizing friendly fire against key allies
@coreysnipes @codinghorror @tante would love Jeff to learn focus fire doesn’t mean sniping others.
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@tante which alternative search engines have an independent search index that does not rely on Google or Microsoft/Bing?
@thepwnicorn there is an EU initiative between quant and ecosia which isn't there yet. But engines using Google's index do so far still return links. So not ideal but better than where Google is going
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@thepwnicorn there is an EU initiative between quant and ecosia which isn't there yet. But engines using Google's index do so far still return links. So not ideal but better than where Google is going
@tante sure hope we get a good solution because if Google and Microsoft decide they don't want to allow access to current alternatives anymore, we are in trouble.
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In Yesterday's IO Keynote Google declared war on the remnants of the Web.
While they packaged it as a lot of "AI" talk what their whole approach of decontextualizing information, of taking away links to sources and instead producing some LLM generated response means is that they want to establish a new abstraction layer on the web. Where Zuckerberg with his Metaverse failed Google is starting the next attack: Your website, your work no longer matters.
Well it matters as (unpaid) raw material for their synthetic text extruders but not as cultural artifact you can share with others.
This is a literal revolution but one against the participatory web, against us: The goal is to take away the web and guide people into Google's abstraction on top of it. An abstraction they control and moderate. It's about monopolizing access to information.
If you care about the web, about people's ability to participate in it as more than mere passive consumers, this needs to be taken seriously. De-Googlifying your mental apparatus becomes more urgent today. Find other search engines, don't use their browser. Or wake up in a slopified AOL kind of environment.
@tante Yea I have been working towards degoogling for a few months now. This takes some real focus and effort, and some investment which money is tighter than ever now!!
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@tante which alternative search engines have an independent search index that does not rely on Google or Microsoft/Bing?
@thepwnicorn @tante There's Mojeek, which is believe is based in the UK. They don't get data from either Google or Bing
