I have been watching this story simmer for several days.
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@futurebird By using the word 'targeting' you make it sound as if the harm to that school was deliberate. Any proof of that? Or is this just more uncritical Israel-bashing?
@watcher@vivaldi.net @futurebird
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@futurebird At some point a War Crimes tribunal will need to rule that the person pressing return on an AI killing decisions is the person responsible for a War Crime. We need an AI weapons treaty now
I have this theory called Sanitizing From Altitude, SFA.
I was an artillery forward observer. I delivered the mail, so to speak. We didn't have drones, sometimes we had FACs to direct airstrikes.
Out in front of the effing infantry.
See, if a nasty old terrorist sets off a bomb in a coffee shop, that's just awful.
But let me put a 155 round downrange, that's sposta be Bronze Star Heroic, eh?
War IS a crime.
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@JamesWidman @futurebird Also "just because side A are bad guys, which we can all agree on, that doesn't make side B good guys." That falsity is so fundamental to media presentations of any sort of conflict or disagreement that I don't think it's salvageable.
@RogerBW @JamesWidman @futurebird
it is no better than an recent incident in my country where a rapist and double murderer killed a child murderer - but at least both of them were already locked up in His Majesty's Prison and not allowed to affect the entire World..
Along with the rest of Northern Europe we are also constantly unearthing UXO at the coast from World War 2 and having to evacuate whole towns, and amongst our multicultural communities are many traumatised by wars from 1990s to present day who end up getting drawn into criminality and violence as they have grown up in an environment where "might makes right"...
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@hacks4pancakes/116192434654015384
I have been watching this story simmer for several days. I've been wary of it. It fits too neatly into the criticisms and warnings many of us have been raising. But it's starting to look like, yes, they are using an LLM to make critical decisions.
At the same time I have heard parts of speeches from the US Secretary of War.* I have been dismayed by his shallow thinking. It doesn't help that his speeches also sound like they are also composed by an LLM.
*formerly Defense
@futurebird I’m sad.
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My disgust for war, for the military, is not the result of being sheltered.
I hate your wars because I know exactly what they are and how when violence occurs it reverberates for generations.
Someone has lost a daughter and with her many of their reasons for living. What grim task will they devote themselves to?
What would you do, Pete, if they killed your family? Do you think you are the only person who loves their children?
I think you must.
I can't understand how someone could support war without being pretty damn'd sheltered.
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@hacks4pancakes/116192434654015384
I have been watching this story simmer for several days. I've been wary of it. It fits too neatly into the criticisms and warnings many of us have been raising. But it's starting to look like, yes, they are using an LLM to make critical decisions.
At the same time I have heard parts of speeches from the US Secretary of War.* I have been dismayed by his shallow thinking. It doesn't help that his speeches also sound like they are also composed by an LLM.
*formerly Defense
@futurebird technically, it remains the Department of Defense until an act of Congress renames it. The entire pathetic regime is fraudulent.
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@hacks4pancakes/116192434654015384
I have been watching this story simmer for several days. I've been wary of it. It fits too neatly into the criticisms and warnings many of us have been raising. But it's starting to look like, yes, they are using an LLM to make critical decisions.
At the same time I have heard parts of speeches from the US Secretary of War.* I have been dismayed by his shallow thinking. It doesn't help that his speeches also sound like they are also composed by an LLM.
*formerly Defense
You and I are going through much the same line of thinking.
Whiskey, Pete openly declared without explicit words that billionaires are aggressively consolidating, total mass surveillance of the US population and in integrating that information into a military automated keychain.
That is the semantic content of the pronunciation and punishment of Anthropic, who has made nothing but a performative ethic-washing statement.
They are already doing what they say they refuse to do.
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His speeches sound LLM generated because they are filled with so many cliches and empty sentences. And because they sound nothing like they way he speaks extemporaneousnessly. Of course this could just be a bad speech writer. Or it could be that when your ideas are bad no words can fix it.
The Department of War will not even say if they missed or not. Did they *want* to hit that school? If not the school then what?
What he says is little different than what the CEO in founders of Palantír say. They are all working together they all utter the same words salad cult babble at each other.
Do not forget that tech management were given military positions last year. They were basically integrated into the military command structure.
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Right wing war hawk commentators are saying that hitting a civilian target, a school filled with little girls is "good strategy, actually" we, the soft-handed peace-nicks are simply not smart enough to understand the strategic power of this action.
But, if the Department of war won't say it remains unclear if this atrocity is based on incompetence or dim-witted malice.
update: We can infer that they "missed"
https://shakedown.social/@AAronL1968/116193541496761440Yeah, the strategic power of terrorism. The reason why US military brass create created rules of engagement to forbid behavior of this as well as treaty after World War II came from the very real understanding that atrocity builds only one thing: the next generation of revolutionaries
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My disgust for war, for the military, is not the result of being sheltered.
I hate your wars because I know exactly what they are and how when violence occurs it reverberates for generations.
Someone has lost a daughter and with her many of their reasons for living. What grim task will they devote themselves to?
What would you do, Pete, if they killed your family? Do you think you are the only person who loves their children?
I think you must.
People like Pete Hegseth don’t think of the people they kill as humans as individuals having moral agency.
He is part I think of the seven mountains faction of Christian nationalism. But in any case, he is part of dominance hierarchy of totalitarian control, with all of it religious decoration to legitimize totalitarian rule
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@futurebird Agreed. And no-one should be able to claim, "It wasn't me, the AI did it".
I was only following orders 2.0
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@futurebird At some point a War Crimes tribunal will need to rule that the person pressing return on an AI killing decisions is the person responsible for a War Crime. We need an AI weapons treaty now
I think we already have those laws on the books. See Nuremberg. It’s not different if AI is issuing and executing the orders.
Researchers have been warning about the danger of this shit for what? How many years now?
Lastly, there’s that old line from IBM, that a machine cannot be making managerial decisions
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@futurebird I think his speeches sound llm generated because a bad speechwriter would use an llm
Consider for a moment that LLMs sound like godless soulless machines because that’s what they are.
Hegseth and the filthy epstein Society he is a member of our current business and political elites have rejected the basis for human community. They are simply bloodthirsty knuckle, dragging dominance hierarchy seen throughout the Animal Kingdom, that humans are uniquely capable of tearing apart
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@hacks4pancakes/116192434654015384
I have been watching this story simmer for several days. I've been wary of it. It fits too neatly into the criticisms and warnings many of us have been raising. But it's starting to look like, yes, they are using an LLM to make critical decisions.
At the same time I have heard parts of speeches from the US Secretary of War.* I have been dismayed by his shallow thinking. It doesn't help that his speeches also sound like they are also composed by an LLM.
*formerly Defense
@futurebird
I am terrified by idiots using OpenAI to explore war.
Based on the reinforcement algorithm used by OpenAI, the feedback would suggest, in ever increasing amplification, that their "ideas are really good", "what a smart way to proceed" … -
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At least a hundred years....
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My disgust for war, for the military, is not the result of being sheltered.
I hate your wars because I know exactly what they are and how when violence occurs it reverberates for generations.
Someone has lost a daughter and with her many of their reasons for living. What grim task will they devote themselves to?
What would you do, Pete, if they killed your family? Do you think you are the only person who loves their children?
I think you must.
@futurebird i'm pretty sure he has no love for his children though, except inasmuch as they are "his" children -
Right wing war hawk commentators are saying that hitting a civilian target, a school filled with little girls is "good strategy, actually" we, the soft-handed peace-nicks are simply not smart enough to understand the strategic power of this action.
But, if the Department of war won't say it remains unclear if this atrocity is based on incompetence or dim-witted malice.
update: We can infer that they "missed"
https://shakedown.social/@AAronL1968/116193541496761440@futurebird I think they're lying even blaming it on "accident." There were two bombings, 40 minutes apart.
#Via Caio Almendra
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8:30 AM · Mar 8, 2026"This school had many daughters of military officers and soldiers. The idea was to attract them to the school, strike it to draw in rescuers and relatives, and then strike it again to kill them."
Al Jazeera investigation: Iran girls’ school targeting likely ‘deliberate’
Al Jazeera investigation raises questions over deadliest single attack of war that killed 165 schoolgirls and staff.
Al Jazeera (www.aljazeera.com)
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Same as any abuser who beats and controls others and thinks they'll "love" him if they would just acquiesce to the "rightness" of their own abuse. And then is shocked when a target pushes back.
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@hacks4pancakes/116192434654015384
I have been watching this story simmer for several days. I've been wary of it. It fits too neatly into the criticisms and warnings many of us have been raising. But it's starting to look like, yes, they are using an LLM to make critical decisions.
At the same time I have heard parts of speeches from the US Secretary of War.* I have been dismayed by his shallow thinking. It doesn't help that his speeches also sound like they are also composed by an LLM.
*formerly Defense
@futurebird ngl I am beginning to wonder if the school was deliberately targeted in order to draw all attention away from >waves hands< everything else going on with US aggression
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His speeches sound LLM generated because they are filled with so many cliches and empty sentences. And because they sound nothing like they way he speaks extemporaneousnessly. Of course this could just be a bad speech writer. Or it could be that when your ideas are bad no words can fix it.
The Department of War will not even say if they missed or not. Did they *want* to hit that school? If not the school then what?
@futurebird I think they took a page from Israel’s book and let AI choose the targets with no human oversight. Which in itself says a lot about their moral reasoning.
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