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  3. Sex work is work and the labor involved is labor and labor should be valued and the workers protectedShould not be controversial amongst the left

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  • summerwing@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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    Sex work is work and the labor involved is labor and labor should be valued and the workers protected
    Should not be controversial amongst the left

    raphaelmorgan@disabled.socialR heiglandreas@phpc.socialH the_moep@mastodon.deT 3 Replies Last reply
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    • summerwing@mastodon.socialS summerwing@mastodon.social

      Sex work is work and the labor involved is labor and labor should be valued and the workers protected
      Should not be controversial amongst the left

      raphaelmorgan@disabled.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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      @summerwing and every "counterpoint" to this take is always just another really good reason that the workers should be protected

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      • summerwing@mastodon.socialS summerwing@mastodon.social

        Sex work is work and the labor involved is labor and labor should be valued and the workers protected
        Should not be controversial amongst the left

        heiglandreas@phpc.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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        @summerwing Is there anything that *isn't* controversial to the left?

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        • heiglandreas@phpc.socialH heiglandreas@phpc.social

          @summerwing Is there anything that *isn't* controversial to the left?

          krutonium@social.treehouse.systemsK This user is from outside of this forum
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          @heiglandreas @summerwing Plenty, honestly.

          Most left leaning people I talk to day-to-day agree with the take above.

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          • raphaelmorgan@disabled.socialR raphaelmorgan@disabled.social

            @summerwing and every "counterpoint" to this take is always just another really good reason that the workers should be protected

            summerwing@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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            @raphaelmorgan this!!!!!!!!!!!

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            • heiglandreas@phpc.socialH heiglandreas@phpc.social

              @summerwing Is there anything that *isn't* controversial to the left?

              normjess@tech.lgbtN This user is from outside of this forum
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              @heiglandreas @summerwing
              the left has issues because its gotta fit every other ideology except capitalism, white supremacy, christian nationalism, and patriarchy

              its the price of free thought, the thought part. not getting your opinions from some authoritarian con-man

              but I'm a transgender anarchist-socialist and kick it with a wide variety of lefties - and they are all sex work supportive

              people are on journeys though, deprogramming themselves, so we have to educate and bring people along as much as possible

              that can be really hard sometimes. you do it for decades and the work remains never-ending. meanwhile a lot of the ally-ship you need to keep functioning doesn't turn up

              the left - the real left, not the centrist cosplaying suffragettes - are constantly attacked, smeared as terrorists, so we need to show each other compassion

              that starts with you

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              • normjess@tech.lgbtN normjess@tech.lgbt

                @heiglandreas @summerwing
                the left has issues because its gotta fit every other ideology except capitalism, white supremacy, christian nationalism, and patriarchy

                its the price of free thought, the thought part. not getting your opinions from some authoritarian con-man

                but I'm a transgender anarchist-socialist and kick it with a wide variety of lefties - and they are all sex work supportive

                people are on journeys though, deprogramming themselves, so we have to educate and bring people along as much as possible

                that can be really hard sometimes. you do it for decades and the work remains never-ending. meanwhile a lot of the ally-ship you need to keep functioning doesn't turn up

                the left - the real left, not the centrist cosplaying suffragettes - are constantly attacked, smeared as terrorists, so we need to show each other compassion

                that starts with you

                seb321@toot.communityS This user is from outside of this forum
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                @heiglandreas @normjess @summerwing So true. The left is not an ideology- these days it’s basically anyone who’s not prepared to turn a blind eye to the planet being boiled or whole populations wiped out for the profits of a handful.

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                  @licho I understand that, I just don't recognize it as a legitimate position to have while being genuinely leftist. I say this because I am anti work myself! But while and when people must work, I want them/us to have full labor protections and rights. Which is what I want for sex workers!

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                  • summerwing@mastodon.socialS summerwing@mastodon.social

                    Sex work is work and the labor involved is labor and labor should be valued and the workers protected
                    Should not be controversial amongst the left

                    the_moep@mastodon.deT This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @summerwing It isn't.

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                    • the_moep@mastodon.deT the_moep@mastodon.de

                      @summerwing It isn't.

                      summerwing@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @the_moep isn't work or isn't controversial? because I think it's still pretty controversial among plenty of people who call themselves leftists. SWERF ideologies have a pretty decent foothold in some spaces right now.

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                      • summerwing@mastodon.socialS summerwing@mastodon.social

                        @the_moep isn't work or isn't controversial? because I think it's still pretty controversial among plenty of people who call themselves leftists. SWERF ideologies have a pretty decent foothold in some spaces right now.

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                        @summerwing It isn't controversial. Are you sure you actually interact with progressive leftists and not some form of liberals or cultural conservatives/authoritarians?

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                        • the_moep@mastodon.deT the_moep@mastodon.de

                          @summerwing It isn't controversial. Are you sure you actually interact with progressive leftists and not some form of liberals or cultural conservatives/authoritarians?

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                          @the_moep that's a condescending question. just look at the other replies on this post where someone points out the anti work argument, which I have repeatedly seen being made in leftist spaces. obviously also read my answer to it.

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                          • summerwing@mastodon.socialS summerwing@mastodon.social

                            @the_moep that's a condescending question. just look at the other replies on this post where someone points out the anti work argument, which I have repeatedly seen being made in leftist spaces. obviously also read my answer to it.

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                            @summerwing I don't see how the "work" is controversial. Of course the leftist goal is for no work being forced on anyone like it is done in the current capitalist system. What type of work it is should not matter, hence my question.

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                            • the_moep@mastodon.deT the_moep@mastodon.de

                              @summerwing I don't see how the "work" is controversial. Of course the leftist goal is for no work being forced on anyone like it is done in the current capitalist system. What type of work it is should not matter, hence my question.

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                              @the_moep I don't see why I need to spell this out personally, but okay. There are a lot of radical feminist anti-capitalists (ostensibly, leftists) who believe that sex work in itself is exploitation and commodification of the female body separate from its status as labor. I am happy for you if you haven't encountered them. They are known for speaking over actual sex workers.

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