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  3. Sex work is work and the labor involved is labor and labor should be valued and the workers protectedShould not be controversial amongst the left

Sex work is work and the labor involved is labor and labor should be valued and the workers protectedShould not be controversial amongst the left

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  • raphaelmorgan@disabled.socialR raphaelmorgan@disabled.social

    @summerwing and every "counterpoint" to this take is always just another really good reason that the workers should be protected

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    @raphaelmorgan this!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • heiglandreas@phpc.socialH heiglandreas@phpc.social

      @summerwing Is there anything that *isn't* controversial to the left?

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      @heiglandreas @summerwing
      the left has issues because its gotta fit every other ideology except capitalism, white supremacy, christian nationalism, and patriarchy

      its the price of free thought, the thought part. not getting your opinions from some authoritarian con-man

      but I'm a transgender anarchist-socialist and kick it with a wide variety of lefties - and they are all sex work supportive

      people are on journeys though, deprogramming themselves, so we have to educate and bring people along as much as possible

      that can be really hard sometimes. you do it for decades and the work remains never-ending. meanwhile a lot of the ally-ship you need to keep functioning doesn't turn up

      the left - the real left, not the centrist cosplaying suffragettes - are constantly attacked, smeared as terrorists, so we need to show each other compassion

      that starts with you

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      • normjess@tech.lgbtN normjess@tech.lgbt

        @heiglandreas @summerwing
        the left has issues because its gotta fit every other ideology except capitalism, white supremacy, christian nationalism, and patriarchy

        its the price of free thought, the thought part. not getting your opinions from some authoritarian con-man

        but I'm a transgender anarchist-socialist and kick it with a wide variety of lefties - and they are all sex work supportive

        people are on journeys though, deprogramming themselves, so we have to educate and bring people along as much as possible

        that can be really hard sometimes. you do it for decades and the work remains never-ending. meanwhile a lot of the ally-ship you need to keep functioning doesn't turn up

        the left - the real left, not the centrist cosplaying suffragettes - are constantly attacked, smeared as terrorists, so we need to show each other compassion

        that starts with you

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        @heiglandreas @normjess @summerwing So true. The left is not an ideology- these days it’s basically anyone who’s not prepared to turn a blind eye to the planet being boiled or whole populations wiped out for the profits of a handful.

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          @licho I understand that, I just don't recognize it as a legitimate position to have while being genuinely leftist. I say this because I am anti work myself! But while and when people must work, I want them/us to have full labor protections and rights. Which is what I want for sex workers!

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          • summerwing@mastodon.socialS summerwing@mastodon.social

            Sex work is work and the labor involved is labor and labor should be valued and the workers protected
            Should not be controversial amongst the left

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            @summerwing It isn't.

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            • the_moep@mastodon.deT the_moep@mastodon.de

              @summerwing It isn't.

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              @the_moep isn't work or isn't controversial? because I think it's still pretty controversial among plenty of people who call themselves leftists. SWERF ideologies have a pretty decent foothold in some spaces right now.

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              • summerwing@mastodon.socialS summerwing@mastodon.social

                @the_moep isn't work or isn't controversial? because I think it's still pretty controversial among plenty of people who call themselves leftists. SWERF ideologies have a pretty decent foothold in some spaces right now.

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                @summerwing It isn't controversial. Are you sure you actually interact with progressive leftists and not some form of liberals or cultural conservatives/authoritarians?

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                • the_moep@mastodon.deT the_moep@mastodon.de

                  @summerwing It isn't controversial. Are you sure you actually interact with progressive leftists and not some form of liberals or cultural conservatives/authoritarians?

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                  @the_moep that's a condescending question. just look at the other replies on this post where someone points out the anti work argument, which I have repeatedly seen being made in leftist spaces. obviously also read my answer to it.

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                  • summerwing@mastodon.socialS summerwing@mastodon.social

                    @the_moep that's a condescending question. just look at the other replies on this post where someone points out the anti work argument, which I have repeatedly seen being made in leftist spaces. obviously also read my answer to it.

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                    @summerwing I don't see how the "work" is controversial. Of course the leftist goal is for no work being forced on anyone like it is done in the current capitalist system. What type of work it is should not matter, hence my question.

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                    • the_moep@mastodon.deT the_moep@mastodon.de

                      @summerwing I don't see how the "work" is controversial. Of course the leftist goal is for no work being forced on anyone like it is done in the current capitalist system. What type of work it is should not matter, hence my question.

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                      @the_moep I don't see why I need to spell this out personally, but okay. There are a lot of radical feminist anti-capitalists (ostensibly, leftists) who believe that sex work in itself is exploitation and commodification of the female body separate from its status as labor. I am happy for you if you haven't encountered them. They are known for speaking over actual sex workers.

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