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  3. I recently looked at my iPhone‘s traffic and was painfully reminded at how it sends every keystroke you type into the home screen search to Apples servers by default.

I recently looked at my iPhone‘s traffic and was painfully reminded at how it sends every keystroke you type into the home screen search to Apples servers by default.

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  • nikthedusky@chaos.socialN nikthedusky@chaos.social

    I recently looked at my iPhone‘s traffic and was painfully reminded at how it sends every keystroke you type into the home screen search to Apples servers by default.

    Every. Single. Keystroke. Instantly.

    Just searching for a contact, an appointment or a local file? Doesn’t matter, it gets sent to Apple anyways.

    You probably want to turn this off!
    Go to Settings -> Search and disable „show related content“.
    This disables web search in the launcher, but what do we have browsers for?

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    @NikTheDusky
    People have reported iPhone Safari ads changing on things never typed in search but spoken aloud.

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    • nikthedusky@chaos.socialN nikthedusky@chaos.social

      I recently looked at my iPhone‘s traffic and was painfully reminded at how it sends every keystroke you type into the home screen search to Apples servers by default.

      Every. Single. Keystroke. Instantly.

      Just searching for a contact, an appointment or a local file? Doesn’t matter, it gets sent to Apple anyways.

      You probably want to turn this off!
      Go to Settings -> Search and disable „show related content“.
      This disables web search in the launcher, but what do we have browsers for?

      Link Preview Image
      schratze@todon.nlS This user is from outside of this forum
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      wrote last edited by
      #23

      @NikTheDusky Apple is like: we care about your user experience, so we installed a keylogger on your device

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      • nikthedusky@chaos.socialN nikthedusky@chaos.social

        just to emphasize how _crazy_ this is: they literally know how many steps you took between typing different letters, as the location information sent is as accurate as it gets. what the fuck.

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        #24

        @NikTheDusky The only reasonable response to learning this is to get in the car and have your passenger repeatedly type ‘A’ as you drive as fast as you can down the highway

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        • nikthedusky@chaos.socialN nikthedusky@chaos.social

          @SteffoSpieler I mean, you have to do this if you want autocomplete for web searches. If this would be a field exclusively for web searches, I'd be fine with that. But the home screen search throws local data and web searches together and that's really bad in this case. I still can't get over how it actually sends your accurate geolocation every request.

          sylvie@chitter.xyzS This user is from outside of this forum
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          #25

          @NikTheDusky honestly i (accidentally) dont have search autocomplete in my browser (not apple) and when i WANT autocomplete i just go to the home page of the search engine i use

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          • chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.caC chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca

            @NikTheDusky
            It’s encrypted and non-identifiable as per the privacy statement link in the screenshot there.

            “To Make Search Results More Relevant, Some Information Is Sent to Apple and Not Associated with You

            When you use Look Up or Visual Look Up, when you type in Search, Safari search, #images search in Messages, or when you invoke Spotlight, limited information will be sent to Apple to provide up-to-date suggestions. Any information sent to Apple does not identify you, and is associated with a 15-minute random, rotating device-generated identifier. This information may include location, topics of interest (for example, cooking or basketball), your search queries, including visual search queries, contextual information related to your search queries, suggestions you have selected, apps you use, and related device usage data. This information does not include search results that show files or content on your device. If you subscribe to music or video subscription services, the names of these services and the type of subscription may be sent to Apple. Your account name, number, and password will not be sent to Apple.

            You can also search using Siri, such as by asking Siri to look up general knowledge or do things like get directions. When you use Siri, the transcript of your request and other data may be sent to Apple to process your request and may be stored. You can learn more about how Siri handles your data by going to Settings > Apple Intelligence & Siri.

            Information sent to Apple related to your searches is used to process your request and to develop and improve search results, such as by using your search queries to fine-tune Search models. It is not linked to your Apple Account or email address.

            Aggregated information may be used to improve other Apple products and services. Apple may also send a limited, randomly sampled set of search queries to search tools for the purpose of evaluating and improving the performance and quality of Search.

            Search Engine Suggestions in Safari

            Safari has a single field for searches and web addresses so you can browse the web from one convenient place. When Search Engine Suggestions are enabled, Safari will ask your selected search engine for suggestions based on what you’ve typed.

            Preload Top Hit in Safari

            With Preload Top Hit enabled, as soon as Safari determines a Top Hit based on your bookmarks and browsing history, Safari will begin loading the webpage in the background. If you disable this option, the page will load normally.

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            #26

            @chris your post, the one im replying to right now, is also "encrypted and non-identifiable" in the exact same way the apple nonsense is, course that doesnt mean i cant read it and reply to it, or even know who sent it

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            • chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.caC This user is from outside of this forum
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              #27

              @sylvie i believe you are incorrect.

              my post is very obviously identifiable including my name and any information. Nothing on Mastodon is encrypted, during transport or otherwise.

              by contrast, information sent to Apple is encrypted in transport and “Any information sent to Apple does not identify you, and is associated with a 15-minute random, rotating device-generated identifier.”

              "This information does not include search results that show files or content on your device.”

              "Your account name, number, and password will not be sent to Apple.”

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              • chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.caC chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca

                @sylvie i believe you are incorrect.

                my post is very obviously identifiable including my name and any information. Nothing on Mastodon is encrypted, during transport or otherwise.

                by contrast, information sent to Apple is encrypted in transport and “Any information sent to Apple does not identify you, and is associated with a 15-minute random, rotating device-generated identifier.”

                "This information does not include search results that show files or content on your device.”

                "Your account name, number, and password will not be sent to Apple.”

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                #28

                @chris you are using a web browser, right? HTTPS is encrypted and the only identifiable information exchanged is your IP address (which isnt actually your IP address, we ran out of those years ago, and some sort of an IP address is needed to use the internet in the first place so its impossible not to send one), anyone viewing the encrypted traffic will not be able to idenify you from it, they can only idenify you from seeing your post, which is not the traffic which is encrypted, this is what apple encrypts, the traffic, the underlying request gets decrypted when it reaches apple

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                • nikthedusky@chaos.socialN nikthedusky@chaos.social

                  It's even worse than I thought, it even transmits your current (accurate!) geolocation. Can't even show this to you because I'd dox myself without editing the video. 🔥

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                  #29

                  @NikTheDusky damn yeah it IS buried deep in privacy and security -> location service -> system service -> suggestion and search. Somehow i have all the related options turned off already. I guess my habit of fully exploring the settings before using a device is paying off

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                  • schratze@todon.nlS schratze@todon.nl

                    @NikTheDusky Apple is like: we care about your user experience, so we installed a keylogger on your device

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                    @schratze @NikTheDusky
                    I'm pretty sure @ashleygjovik already posted a lot on that topic.

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                    • nikthedusky@chaos.socialN nikthedusky@chaos.social

                      I recently looked at my iPhone‘s traffic and was painfully reminded at how it sends every keystroke you type into the home screen search to Apples servers by default.

                      Every. Single. Keystroke. Instantly.

                      Just searching for a contact, an appointment or a local file? Doesn’t matter, it gets sent to Apple anyways.

                      You probably want to turn this off!
                      Go to Settings -> Search and disable „show related content“.
                      This disables web search in the launcher, but what do we have browsers for?

                      Link Preview Image
                      reemt@woof.groupR This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #31

                      @NikTheDusky I’m somewhat remembering having agreed to something that might be this very feature. Are you sure that it is enabled by default?

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                      • nikthedusky@chaos.socialN nikthedusky@chaos.social

                        I recently looked at my iPhone‘s traffic and was painfully reminded at how it sends every keystroke you type into the home screen search to Apples servers by default.

                        Every. Single. Keystroke. Instantly.

                        Just searching for a contact, an appointment or a local file? Doesn’t matter, it gets sent to Apple anyways.

                        You probably want to turn this off!
                        Go to Settings -> Search and disable „show related content“.
                        This disables web search in the launcher, but what do we have browsers for?

                        Link Preview Image
                        mast0d0nphan@beige.partyM This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #32

                        @NikTheDusky Does it doe this for other keyboards that can be installed?

                        Can the Network permissions be disabled for the Home app or the keyboard?

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                          @Quasit @NikTheDusky - you mean something like Linux?

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                          • schratze@todon.nlS schratze@todon.nl

                            @NikTheDusky Apple is like: we care about your user experience, so we installed a keylogger on your device

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                            @schratze @NikTheDusky
                            This is the "tap disable giant snake" comic / meme irl
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                            • jonossaseuraava@post.ebin.clubJ jonossaseuraava@post.ebin.club
                              @schratze @NikTheDusky
                              This is the "tap disable giant snake" comic / meme irl
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                              @jonossaseuraava @NikTheDusky @schratze
                              So its microsofts "Swiftkey" on android that some Android roms from vendors use...
                              and the Google Keyboard has an "incognito" mode when entering passwords?

                              glad i use old refurbished phones with LinageOS :3
                              they are less then 120€ too

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                              • cyon@ennexis.deC cyon@ennexis.de

                                @jonossaseuraava @NikTheDusky @schratze
                                So its microsofts "Swiftkey" on android that some Android roms from vendors use...
                                and the Google Keyboard has an "incognito" mode when entering passwords?

                                glad i use old refurbished phones with LinageOS :3
                                they are less then 120€ too

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                                @cyon @NikTheDusky @schratze
                                Heliboard FTW
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                                • jonossaseuraava@post.ebin.clubJ jonossaseuraava@post.ebin.club
                                  @cyon @NikTheDusky @schratze
                                  Heliboard FTW
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                                  @jonossaseuraava @NikTheDusky @schratze
                                  true ❤

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                                  • mast0d0nphan@beige.partyM mast0d0nphan@beige.party

                                    @NikTheDusky Does it doe this for other keyboards that can be installed?

                                    Can the Network permissions be disabled for the Home app or the keyboard?

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                                    @mast0d0nphan the keyboard doesn't matter because the requests that are sent are part of the search feature in the search bar on the home screen. you can either turn of location access for this specific feature to prevent it from including your geolocation, or disable the web search suggestions feature altogether. This happens in your browser as well, if you have suggestions turned on there. You need to disable these as well, if you don't want that.

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                                    • nikthedusky@chaos.socialN nikthedusky@chaos.social

                                      I recently looked at my iPhone‘s traffic and was painfully reminded at how it sends every keystroke you type into the home screen search to Apples servers by default.

                                      Every. Single. Keystroke. Instantly.

                                      Just searching for a contact, an appointment or a local file? Doesn’t matter, it gets sent to Apple anyways.

                                      You probably want to turn this off!
                                      Go to Settings -> Search and disable „show related content“.
                                      This disables web search in the launcher, but what do we have browsers for?

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                                      @NikTheDusky nooooooo my keylogger :(((
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                                      • nikthedusky@chaos.socialN nikthedusky@chaos.social

                                        I recently looked at my iPhone‘s traffic and was painfully reminded at how it sends every keystroke you type into the home screen search to Apples servers by default.

                                        Every. Single. Keystroke. Instantly.

                                        Just searching for a contact, an appointment or a local file? Doesn’t matter, it gets sent to Apple anyways.

                                        You probably want to turn this off!
                                        Go to Settings -> Search and disable „show related content“.
                                        This disables web search in the launcher, but what do we have browsers for?

                                        Link Preview Image
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                                        @NikTheDusky
                                        In German it is called:
                                        In den deutsche Einstellungen-> Suchen-> „zugehörigen Inhalt anzeigen“
                                        #iphone #DataSovereignty

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                                        • nikthedusky@chaos.socialN nikthedusky@chaos.social

                                          I recently looked at my iPhone‘s traffic and was painfully reminded at how it sends every keystroke you type into the home screen search to Apples servers by default.

                                          Every. Single. Keystroke. Instantly.

                                          Just searching for a contact, an appointment or a local file? Doesn’t matter, it gets sent to Apple anyways.

                                          You probably want to turn this off!
                                          Go to Settings -> Search and disable „show related content“.
                                          This disables web search in the launcher, but what do we have browsers for?

                                          Link Preview Image
                                          dzedus@mas.toD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #41

                                          @NikTheDusky @xjki …and after the next software update it’s probably back again 🫠 How does one stay on top of all these settings? 🫩

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