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the UK has had some new legislation enacted which improves renters' rights [initially with England; housing is a devolved matter] by a lot:

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  • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

    @RejoinEU this is probably the one good thing they've done. the mis-steps are the norm, doing something right is the exception

    (and i think a lot of this bill is based on the bill of their predecessors, too)

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    @whitequark What about removing hereditary peers from the House of Lords?

    @RejoinEU

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    • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

      @josgeluk see also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhDGN7HBxL8 which is what this is based on

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      @whitequark document or video, my compliment still stands 😊

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      • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

        the UK has had some new legislation enacted which improves renters' rights [initially with England; housing is a devolved matter] by a lot:

        • there are no more fixed rental contracts; everything is done on a rolling basis with a generous multiple-month notice
        • no-fault evictions are gone
        • after an eviction without reason landlords couldn't re-list it as a rental property for a year
        • rent can be increased once a year with a 2-month notice
        • rent increases can be challenged by a tenant
        • "rental bidding" where you try to give the landlord a higher price than other tenants is made illegal (this was the single biggest WTF moment i had arriving to the UK)
        • pets must be accepted by default, unless there is a good reason not to ("I don't want to" is not a good reason)

        hell yeah.

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        @whitequark I can't help but think there will be some negatives though - and some catches.

        I was admittedly amazed that bidding wars became a thing on rentals - seems to have been a thing after I bought a house (which fundamentally happened because I was given the Section 21 notice where I was - which incidentally was because of the desire to increase the rent significantly - undoubtedly).

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        • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

          the UK has had some new legislation enacted which improves renters' rights [initially with England; housing is a devolved matter] by a lot:

          • there are no more fixed rental contracts; everything is done on a rolling basis with a generous multiple-month notice
          • no-fault evictions are gone
          • after an eviction without reason landlords couldn't re-list it as a rental property for a year
          • rent can be increased once a year with a 2-month notice
          • rent increases can be challenged by a tenant
          • "rental bidding" where you try to give the landlord a higher price than other tenants is made illegal (this was the single biggest WTF moment i had arriving to the UK)
          • pets must be accepted by default, unless there is a good reason not to ("I don't want to" is not a good reason)

          hell yeah.

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          @whitequark is this UK wide or just England?

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          • krans@mastodon.me.ukK krans@mastodon.me.uk

            @whitequark What about removing hereditary peers from the House of Lords?

            @RejoinEU

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            @krans @RejoinEU I mean since getting elected this time, not in their entire history

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            • exec@furry.engineerE exec@furry.engineer

              @whitequark Most of these sound like EU-wide rules in general (or at least in effect in most EU-countries) but one stood out:

              "rental bidding" where you try to give the landlord a higher price than other tenants is made illegal (this was the single biggest WTF moment i had arriving to the UK)

              What the fuck is this and who in their right might thought that this was a good idea

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              @exec @whitequark rent bidding has started becoming the norm here in Australia ;_;

              wanted to ask about UK/EU stuff tho, how many months notice for landlords ending a rolling contract?

              here fixed term is standard and we (tenants) preferred it because it at least gave you 12-24 months of stability at same rent rather than them giving 2-month notice to end so they could relist it at a price higher than they could increase your rent by

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              • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                the UK has had some new legislation enacted which improves renters' rights [initially with England; housing is a devolved matter] by a lot:

                • there are no more fixed rental contracts; everything is done on a rolling basis with a generous multiple-month notice
                • no-fault evictions are gone
                • after an eviction without reason landlords couldn't re-list it as a rental property for a year
                • rent can be increased once a year with a 2-month notice
                • rent increases can be challenged by a tenant
                • "rental bidding" where you try to give the landlord a higher price than other tenants is made illegal (this was the single biggest WTF moment i had arriving to the UK)
                • pets must be accepted by default, unless there is a good reason not to ("I don't want to" is not a good reason)

                hell yeah.

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                @whitequark the bidding thing feels like a recent development, we encountered it for the first time in 2023. every time I moved before this, you made an offer and the landlord said yes/no. after, it was your bid got put in a big pot, you had to write a grovelling personal statement, etc

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                • revk@toot.me.ukR revk@toot.me.uk

                  @whitequark is this UK wide or just England?

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                  @revk England (housing is a devolved matter), but it seems they're working to enforce similar things in other countries

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                  • jcoglan@mastodon.socialJ jcoglan@mastodon.social

                    @whitequark the bidding thing feels like a recent development, we encountered it for the first time in 2023. every time I moved before this, you made an offer and the landlord said yes/no. after, it was your bid got put in a big pot, you had to write a grovelling personal statement, etc

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                    @whitequark very glad that it's stopped, it made moving impossible. that year and the year after our landlord put rent up over 10% each year so I'd like to know what effect these laws actually end up having on rent rises

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                    • az@scorpinc.socialA az@scorpinc.social

                      @exec @whitequark rent bidding has started becoming the norm here in Australia ;_;

                      wanted to ask about UK/EU stuff tho, how many months notice for landlords ending a rolling contract?

                      here fixed term is standard and we (tenants) preferred it because it at least gave you 12-24 months of stability at same rent rather than them giving 2-month notice to end so they could relist it at a price higher than they could increase your rent by

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                      @az @exec "it depends" but it's 4 month notice for most of them https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guide-to-the-renters-rights-act/guide-to-the-renters-rights-act

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                      • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                        @krans @RejoinEU I mean since getting elected this time, not in their entire history

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                        @whitequark Yes, since getting elected this time.

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                        • jcoglan@mastodon.socialJ jcoglan@mastodon.social

                          @whitequark the bidding thing feels like a recent development, we encountered it for the first time in 2023. every time I moved before this, you made an offer and the landlord said yes/no. after, it was your bid got put in a big pot, you had to write a grovelling personal statement, etc

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                          @jcoglan that was the year I moved to the UK. I was competing with 10 other people. it was humiliating

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                          • krans@mastodon.me.ukK krans@mastodon.me.uk

                            @whitequark Yes, since getting elected this time.

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                            @krans @RejoinEU

                            The majority of hereditary peers, who inherit their titles through their families, were abolished in 1999 under the last Labour government and this bill gets rid of the last remaining 92.

                            ohhh, I thought they got rid of all of them in '99. well. two good things

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                            • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                              @jcoglan that was the year I moved to the UK. I was competing with 10 other people. it was humiliating

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                              @whitequark yeah it's the first time I ever tried and failed to move house. you'd get outbid by absolutely ridiculous amounts, it drove rents through the roof

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                              • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                @krans @RejoinEU

                                The majority of hereditary peers, who inherit their titles through their families, were abolished in 1999 under the last Labour government and this bill gets rid of the last remaining 92.

                                ohhh, I thought they got rid of all of them in '99. well. two good things

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                                @whitequark What about giving workers the right to stick pay and paternity leave from the first day of their job?

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                                • jcoglan@mastodon.socialJ jcoglan@mastodon.social

                                  @whitequark the bidding thing feels like a recent development, we encountered it for the first time in 2023. every time I moved before this, you made an offer and the landlord said yes/no. after, it was your bid got put in a big pot, you had to write a grovelling personal statement, etc

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                                  @jcoglan @whitequark it's completely normal in Australia - some places have rules against the real estate agent asking if you'd like to pay more than someone else, but as far as I know it's still legal for you to make and for them to accept a higher-than-advertised price

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                                  • krans@mastodon.me.ukK krans@mastodon.me.uk

                                    @whitequark What about giving workers the right to stick pay and paternity leave from the first day of their job?

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                                    Employment Rights Bill clears last parliamentary hurdle

                                    Sir Keir Starmer said the development marked a "major victory for working people in every part of the country".

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                                    BBC News (www.bbc.co.uk)

                                    @RejoinEU

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                                    @krans @RejoinEU oh I missed this one!

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                                    • jcoglan@mastodon.socialJ jcoglan@mastodon.social

                                      @whitequark yeah it's the first time I ever tried and failed to move house. you'd get outbid by absolutely ridiculous amounts, it drove rents through the roof

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                                      @jcoglan I didn't get outbid thankfully, would've made me homeless if I had

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                                      • irina@critter.cafeI irina@critter.cafe

                                        @jcoglan @whitequark it's completely normal in Australia - some places have rules against the real estate agent asking if you'd like to pay more than someone else, but as far as I know it's still legal for you to make and for them to accept a higher-than-advertised price

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                                        @irina @jcoglan Australia is so fucked

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                                        • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                          @krans @RejoinEU oh I missed this one!

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                                          @whitequark Labour's actual achievements in government don't make people angry, so no-one is interested in reporting on or discussing them.

                                          So far Mr Starmer's government has been a *massive* net improvement on the preceding Tory government, especially for working people.

                                          But it is impossible to ignore the continuing British institutional xenophobia, transphobia and Zionism. It's all anyone will remember.

                                          @RejoinEU

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