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  • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW This user is from outside of this forum
    whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW This user is from outside of this forum
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    the UK has had some new legislation enacted which improves renters' rights [initially with England; housing is a devolved matter] by a lot:

    • there are no more fixed rental contracts; everything is done on a rolling basis with a generous multiple-month notice
    • no-fault evictions are gone
    • after an eviction without reason landlords couldn't re-list it as a rental property for a year
    • rent can be increased once a year with a 2-month notice
    • rent increases can be challenged by a tenant
    • "rental bidding" where you try to give the landlord a higher price than other tenants is made illegal (this was the single biggest WTF moment i had arriving to the UK)
    • pets must be accepted by default, unless there is a good reason not to ("I don't want to" is not a good reason)

    hell yeah.

    exec@furry.engineerE josgeluk@mastodon.nlJ rejoineu@mastodon.onlineR vikki@know.me.ukV revk@toot.me.ukR 14 Replies Last reply
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    • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

      the UK has had some new legislation enacted which improves renters' rights [initially with England; housing is a devolved matter] by a lot:

      • there are no more fixed rental contracts; everything is done on a rolling basis with a generous multiple-month notice
      • no-fault evictions are gone
      • after an eviction without reason landlords couldn't re-list it as a rental property for a year
      • rent can be increased once a year with a 2-month notice
      • rent increases can be challenged by a tenant
      • "rental bidding" where you try to give the landlord a higher price than other tenants is made illegal (this was the single biggest WTF moment i had arriving to the UK)
      • pets must be accepted by default, unless there is a good reason not to ("I don't want to" is not a good reason)

      hell yeah.

      exec@furry.engineerE This user is from outside of this forum
      exec@furry.engineerE This user is from outside of this forum
      exec@furry.engineer
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      #2

      @whitequark Most of these sound like EU-wide rules in general (or at least in effect in most EU-countries) but one stood out:

      "rental bidding" where you try to give the landlord a higher price than other tenants is made illegal (this was the single biggest WTF moment i had arriving to the UK)

      What the fuck is this and who in their right might thought that this was a good idea

      whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW az@scorpinc.socialA 2 Replies Last reply
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      • exec@furry.engineerE exec@furry.engineer

        @whitequark Most of these sound like EU-wide rules in general (or at least in effect in most EU-countries) but one stood out:

        "rental bidding" where you try to give the landlord a higher price than other tenants is made illegal (this was the single biggest WTF moment i had arriving to the UK)

        What the fuck is this and who in their right might thought that this was a good idea

        whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW This user is from outside of this forum
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        @exec an agent suggested I do this like it's the most normal fucking thing with a straight face. I could not believe my ears

        djdarren@mendeddrum.orgD valpackett@social.treehouse.systemsV mossman@social.vivaldi.netM 3 Replies Last reply
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        • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

          the UK has had some new legislation enacted which improves renters' rights [initially with England; housing is a devolved matter] by a lot:

          • there are no more fixed rental contracts; everything is done on a rolling basis with a generous multiple-month notice
          • no-fault evictions are gone
          • after an eviction without reason landlords couldn't re-list it as a rental property for a year
          • rent can be increased once a year with a 2-month notice
          • rent increases can be challenged by a tenant
          • "rental bidding" where you try to give the landlord a higher price than other tenants is made illegal (this was the single biggest WTF moment i had arriving to the UK)
          • pets must be accepted by default, unless there is a good reason not to ("I don't want to" is not a good reason)

          hell yeah.

          josgeluk@mastodon.nlJ This user is from outside of this forum
          josgeluk@mastodon.nlJ This user is from outside of this forum
          josgeluk@mastodon.nl
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          #4

          @whitequark your toot sounds like an excellent summary of a long legal document (that I don't have), so thank you

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          • josgeluk@mastodon.nlJ josgeluk@mastodon.nl

            @whitequark your toot sounds like an excellent summary of a long legal document (that I don't have), so thank you

            whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW This user is from outside of this forum
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            @josgeluk see also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhDGN7HBxL8 which is what this is based on

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            • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

              the UK has had some new legislation enacted which improves renters' rights [initially with England; housing is a devolved matter] by a lot:

              • there are no more fixed rental contracts; everything is done on a rolling basis with a generous multiple-month notice
              • no-fault evictions are gone
              • after an eviction without reason landlords couldn't re-list it as a rental property for a year
              • rent can be increased once a year with a 2-month notice
              • rent increases can be challenged by a tenant
              • "rental bidding" where you try to give the landlord a higher price than other tenants is made illegal (this was the single biggest WTF moment i had arriving to the UK)
              • pets must be accepted by default, unless there is a good reason not to ("I don't want to" is not a good reason)

              hell yeah.

              rejoineu@mastodon.onlineR This user is from outside of this forum
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              rejoineu@mastodon.online
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              #6

              @whitequark Labour, (notwithstanding mis-steps), quietly making life more bearable for ordinary people in the UK. Full credit to them for this legislation.

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              • rejoineu@mastodon.onlineR rejoineu@mastodon.online

                @whitequark Labour, (notwithstanding mis-steps), quietly making life more bearable for ordinary people in the UK. Full credit to them for this legislation.

                whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW This user is from outside of this forum
                whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW This user is from outside of this forum
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                #7

                @RejoinEU this is probably the one good thing they've done. the mis-steps are the norm, doing something right is the exception

                (and i think a lot of this bill is based on the bill of their predecessors, too)

                krans@mastodon.me.ukK transfemmegabriellamontez@mastodon.socialT rollotreadway@beige.partyR 3 Replies Last reply
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                • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                  @RejoinEU this is probably the one good thing they've done. the mis-steps are the norm, doing something right is the exception

                  (and i think a lot of this bill is based on the bill of their predecessors, too)

                  krans@mastodon.me.ukK This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @whitequark What about removing hereditary peers from the House of Lords?

                  @RejoinEU

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                  • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                    @josgeluk see also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhDGN7HBxL8 which is what this is based on

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                    @whitequark document or video, my compliment still stands 😊

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                    • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                      the UK has had some new legislation enacted which improves renters' rights [initially with England; housing is a devolved matter] by a lot:

                      • there are no more fixed rental contracts; everything is done on a rolling basis with a generous multiple-month notice
                      • no-fault evictions are gone
                      • after an eviction without reason landlords couldn't re-list it as a rental property for a year
                      • rent can be increased once a year with a 2-month notice
                      • rent increases can be challenged by a tenant
                      • "rental bidding" where you try to give the landlord a higher price than other tenants is made illegal (this was the single biggest WTF moment i had arriving to the UK)
                      • pets must be accepted by default, unless there is a good reason not to ("I don't want to" is not a good reason)

                      hell yeah.

                      vikki@know.me.ukV This user is from outside of this forum
                      vikki@know.me.ukV This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #10

                      @whitequark I can't help but think there will be some negatives though - and some catches.

                      I was admittedly amazed that bidding wars became a thing on rentals - seems to have been a thing after I bought a house (which fundamentally happened because I was given the Section 21 notice where I was - which incidentally was because of the desire to increase the rent significantly - undoubtedly).

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                      • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                        the UK has had some new legislation enacted which improves renters' rights [initially with England; housing is a devolved matter] by a lot:

                        • there are no more fixed rental contracts; everything is done on a rolling basis with a generous multiple-month notice
                        • no-fault evictions are gone
                        • after an eviction without reason landlords couldn't re-list it as a rental property for a year
                        • rent can be increased once a year with a 2-month notice
                        • rent increases can be challenged by a tenant
                        • "rental bidding" where you try to give the landlord a higher price than other tenants is made illegal (this was the single biggest WTF moment i had arriving to the UK)
                        • pets must be accepted by default, unless there is a good reason not to ("I don't want to" is not a good reason)

                        hell yeah.

                        revk@toot.me.ukR This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #11

                        @whitequark is this UK wide or just England?

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                        • krans@mastodon.me.ukK krans@mastodon.me.uk

                          @whitequark What about removing hereditary peers from the House of Lords?

                          @RejoinEU

                          whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW This user is from outside of this forum
                          whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @krans @RejoinEU I mean since getting elected this time, not in their entire history

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                          • exec@furry.engineerE exec@furry.engineer

                            @whitequark Most of these sound like EU-wide rules in general (or at least in effect in most EU-countries) but one stood out:

                            "rental bidding" where you try to give the landlord a higher price than other tenants is made illegal (this was the single biggest WTF moment i had arriving to the UK)

                            What the fuck is this and who in their right might thought that this was a good idea

                            az@scorpinc.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
                            az@scorpinc.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @exec @whitequark rent bidding has started becoming the norm here in Australia ;_;

                            wanted to ask about UK/EU stuff tho, how many months notice for landlords ending a rolling contract?

                            here fixed term is standard and we (tenants) preferred it because it at least gave you 12-24 months of stability at same rent rather than them giving 2-month notice to end so they could relist it at a price higher than they could increase your rent by

                            whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW oddline@tacobelllabs.netO 2 Replies Last reply
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                            • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                              the UK has had some new legislation enacted which improves renters' rights [initially with England; housing is a devolved matter] by a lot:

                              • there are no more fixed rental contracts; everything is done on a rolling basis with a generous multiple-month notice
                              • no-fault evictions are gone
                              • after an eviction without reason landlords couldn't re-list it as a rental property for a year
                              • rent can be increased once a year with a 2-month notice
                              • rent increases can be challenged by a tenant
                              • "rental bidding" where you try to give the landlord a higher price than other tenants is made illegal (this was the single biggest WTF moment i had arriving to the UK)
                              • pets must be accepted by default, unless there is a good reason not to ("I don't want to" is not a good reason)

                              hell yeah.

                              jcoglan@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #14

                              @whitequark the bidding thing feels like a recent development, we encountered it for the first time in 2023. every time I moved before this, you made an offer and the landlord said yes/no. after, it was your bid got put in a big pot, you had to write a grovelling personal statement, etc

                              jcoglan@mastodon.socialJ whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW irina@critter.cafeI 3 Replies Last reply
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                              • revk@toot.me.ukR revk@toot.me.uk

                                @whitequark is this UK wide or just England?

                                whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @revk England (housing is a devolved matter), but it seems they're working to enforce similar things in other countries

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                                • jcoglan@mastodon.socialJ jcoglan@mastodon.social

                                  @whitequark the bidding thing feels like a recent development, we encountered it for the first time in 2023. every time I moved before this, you made an offer and the landlord said yes/no. after, it was your bid got put in a big pot, you had to write a grovelling personal statement, etc

                                  jcoglan@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @whitequark very glad that it's stopped, it made moving impossible. that year and the year after our landlord put rent up over 10% each year so I'd like to know what effect these laws actually end up having on rent rises

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                                  • az@scorpinc.socialA az@scorpinc.social

                                    @exec @whitequark rent bidding has started becoming the norm here in Australia ;_;

                                    wanted to ask about UK/EU stuff tho, how many months notice for landlords ending a rolling contract?

                                    here fixed term is standard and we (tenants) preferred it because it at least gave you 12-24 months of stability at same rent rather than them giving 2-month notice to end so they could relist it at a price higher than they could increase your rent by

                                    whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @az @exec "it depends" but it's 4 month notice for most of them https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guide-to-the-renters-rights-act/guide-to-the-renters-rights-act

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                                    • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                      @krans @RejoinEU I mean since getting elected this time, not in their entire history

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                                      #18

                                      @whitequark Yes, since getting elected this time.

                                      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxg76rgdp7o

                                      @RejoinEU

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                                      • jcoglan@mastodon.socialJ jcoglan@mastodon.social

                                        @whitequark the bidding thing feels like a recent development, we encountered it for the first time in 2023. every time I moved before this, you made an offer and the landlord said yes/no. after, it was your bid got put in a big pot, you had to write a grovelling personal statement, etc

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                                        @jcoglan that was the year I moved to the UK. I was competing with 10 other people. it was humiliating

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                                        • krans@mastodon.me.ukK krans@mastodon.me.uk

                                          @whitequark Yes, since getting elected this time.

                                          https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxg76rgdp7o

                                          @RejoinEU

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                                          @krans @RejoinEU

                                          The majority of hereditary peers, who inherit their titles through their families, were abolished in 1999 under the last Labour government and this bill gets rid of the last remaining 92.

                                          ohhh, I thought they got rid of all of them in '99. well. two good things

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