US government in 1996: strong encryption is a munition and you can go to prison for years if you export
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RE: https://social.treehouse.systems/@wwahammy/116264430375745593
US government in 1996: strong encryption is a munition and you can go to prison for years if you export
FOSS engineers: hey so only use this if you're in the US but we'll give instructions for how to do it otherwise
California in 2026: we're passing a law that allows the AG to sue OS providers in civil court if they don't implement age verification in order to restrict Apple, Google, Facebook and the worst companies in the world.
FOSS Engineers: OMG THEY MIGHT COME AFTER OUR LINUX LAPTOP VENDORS WHO HAVE LIKE 3 TOTAL CUSTOMERS WE SHOULD HAVE IMPLEMENTED AGE GATING YESTERDAY I PROMISE WE'RE NOT CHALLENGING YOUR AUTHORITY GOVERNOR NEWSOM
@wwahammy I still don't understand how the flawed assumptions are supposed to be handled. And they're basic. What age is a web server OS install going to enter when they have no direct human user, just system accounts? What age is expected to be entered for multi-user systems, especially when users have differing ages? None of this makes sense.
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@wwahammy I still don't understand how the flawed assumptions are supposed to be handled. And they're basic. What age is a web server OS install going to enter when they have no direct human user, just system accounts? What age is expected to be entered for multi-user systems, especially when users have differing ages? None of this makes sense.
@r0k the dipshit governor brought some of this up when he signed the bill. No one has a fucking clue, it it will have to be amended which everything I've heard is that it will be. And there's still going to be many lawsuits.
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@r0k the dipshit governor brought some of this up when he signed the bill. No one has a fucking clue, it it will have to be amended which everything I've heard is that it will be. And there's still going to be many lawsuits.
@wwahammy yeah, I don't understand the concept of signing a bill into law while saying it needs to be amended before the law goes into effect. That's the kind of thing you do while it's a bill before it turns into law. They're all inept and Meta is pulling the strings.
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@wwahammy yeah, I don't understand the concept of signing a bill into law while saying it needs to be amended before the law goes into effect. That's the kind of thing you do while it's a bill before it turns into law. They're all inept and Meta is pulling the strings.
@r0k in the totally craven sense, the law passed unanimously so there's no gain for him to veto the law and get attacked for "not protecting the kids!" if it's just going to go into effect anyways.
I don't agree with his decision but that's probably why.
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And to be clear, I'm old enough to remember when strong encryption was a munitions, I'm speaking about these actions from first hand and near-first hand knowledge
@wwahammy the old encryption export controls are exactly what this age verification stuff made me think of too
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@wwahammy That was the one tattoo I've seriously considered getting.
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RE: https://social.treehouse.systems/@wwahammy/116264430375745593
US government in 1996: strong encryption is a munition and you can go to prison for years if you export
FOSS engineers: hey so only use this if you're in the US but we'll give instructions for how to do it otherwise
California in 2026: we're passing a law that allows the AG to sue OS providers in civil court if they don't implement age verification in order to restrict Apple, Google, Facebook and the worst companies in the world.
FOSS Engineers: OMG THEY MIGHT COME AFTER OUR LINUX LAPTOP VENDORS WHO HAVE LIKE 3 TOTAL CUSTOMERS WE SHOULD HAVE IMPLEMENTED AGE GATING YESTERDAY I PROMISE WE'RE NOT CHALLENGING YOUR AUTHORITY GOVERNOR NEWSOM
@wwahammy ffffuck no to this
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RE: https://social.treehouse.systems/@wwahammy/116264430375745593
US government in 1996: strong encryption is a munition and you can go to prison for years if you export
FOSS engineers: hey so only use this if you're in the US but we'll give instructions for how to do it otherwise
California in 2026: we're passing a law that allows the AG to sue OS providers in civil court if they don't implement age verification in order to restrict Apple, Google, Facebook and the worst companies in the world.
FOSS Engineers: OMG THEY MIGHT COME AFTER OUR LINUX LAPTOP VENDORS WHO HAVE LIKE 3 TOTAL CUSTOMERS WE SHOULD HAVE IMPLEMENTED AGE GATING YESTERDAY I PROMISE WE'RE NOT CHALLENGING YOUR AUTHORITY GOVERNOR NEWSOM
@wwahammy I still want to know what age one should put for “root”?
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RE: https://social.treehouse.systems/@wwahammy/116264430375745593
US government in 1996: strong encryption is a munition and you can go to prison for years if you export
FOSS engineers: hey so only use this if you're in the US but we'll give instructions for how to do it otherwise
California in 2026: we're passing a law that allows the AG to sue OS providers in civil court if they don't implement age verification in order to restrict Apple, Google, Facebook and the worst companies in the world.
FOSS Engineers: OMG THEY MIGHT COME AFTER OUR LINUX LAPTOP VENDORS WHO HAVE LIKE 3 TOTAL CUSTOMERS WE SHOULD HAVE IMPLEMENTED AGE GATING YESTERDAY I PROMISE WE'RE NOT CHALLENGING YOUR AUTHORITY GOVERNOR NEWSOM
@wwahammy are any of the devs even in California?
I remember illegal numbers (it was not that long ago actually) when people went out of their way to meme in the face of law.
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And to be clear, I'm old enough to remember when strong encryption was a munitions, I'm speaking about these actions from first hand and near-first hand knowledge
@wwahammy wait, like actual war material?
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NAME AND SHAME
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And to be clear, I'm old enough to remember when strong encryption was a munitions, I'm speaking about these actions from first hand and near-first hand knowledge
@wwahammy My signed copy of Applied Crypto agrees with you
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And to be clear, I'm old enough to remember when strong encryption was a munitions, I'm speaking about these actions from first hand and near-first hand knowledge
@wwahammy Yeah, I started my career in 1995 and this is accurate. We never used to be this obsequious.
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RE: https://social.treehouse.systems/@wwahammy/116264430375745593
US government in 1996: strong encryption is a munition and you can go to prison for years if you export
FOSS engineers: hey so only use this if you're in the US but we'll give instructions for how to do it otherwise
California in 2026: we're passing a law that allows the AG to sue OS providers in civil court if they don't implement age verification in order to restrict Apple, Google, Facebook and the worst companies in the world.
FOSS Engineers: OMG THEY MIGHT COME AFTER OUR LINUX LAPTOP VENDORS WHO HAVE LIKE 3 TOTAL CUSTOMERS WE SHOULD HAVE IMPLEMENTED AGE GATING YESTERDAY I PROMISE WE'RE NOT CHALLENGING YOUR AUTHORITY GOVERNOR NEWSOM
@wwahammy lots of "reasonable people" just following orders
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And to be clear, I'm old enough to remember when strong encryption was a munitions, I'm speaking about these actions from first hand and near-first hand knowledge
@wwahammy When I started at Google in 2016 I had to sign a bunch of export control paperwork because I *might* be able to find some encryption algorithm somewhere in the VCS I guess.
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@wwahammy are any of the devs even in California?
I remember illegal numbers (it was not that long ago actually) when people went out of their way to meme in the face of law.
@pointlessone i get the impression these are corporate devs astroturfing
and this highlights exactly why FOSS and capitalism are incompatible
because there is no Freedom under capitalism
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@wwahammy I still want to know what age one should put for “root”?
@revk that is a good point, there's no exemption for root.
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@revk that is a good point, there's no exemption for root.
@wwahammy 1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
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@wwahammy 1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
@revk totally. But technically, the system should probably ask what root's age is on first boot.
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RE: https://social.treehouse.systems/@wwahammy/116264430375745593
US government in 1996: strong encryption is a munition and you can go to prison for years if you export
FOSS engineers: hey so only use this if you're in the US but we'll give instructions for how to do it otherwise
California in 2026: we're passing a law that allows the AG to sue OS providers in civil court if they don't implement age verification in order to restrict Apple, Google, Facebook and the worst companies in the world.
FOSS Engineers: OMG THEY MIGHT COME AFTER OUR LINUX LAPTOP VENDORS WHO HAVE LIKE 3 TOTAL CUSTOMERS WE SHOULD HAVE IMPLEMENTED AGE GATING YESTERDAY I PROMISE WE'RE NOT CHALLENGING YOUR AUTHORITY GOVERNOR NEWSOM
@wwahammy For real, sometimes I wonder if there is a chunck of FOSS dev that came from Windows world and never left behind that mindset.
I look at you, Red Hat...Unfortunately, without extra workforce would be hard keep up with the projects either... hmmm.
