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New blog post: "Forbidding generative AI and LLMs on Pepper&Carrot"https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1129/forbidding-generative-ai-and-llms-on-peppercarrot

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  • yuki2501@masto.hackers.townY yuki2501@masto.hackers.town

    @kimcrawley @davidrevoy Ethical AI is a thing. (See, for example, Neuro-sama)

    Clearly what we're against is AI slop and blatant plagiarizing of artists' works. (Not to mention massive data centers poisoning the land, but that's a different topic)

    So far nothing good has come from AI provided by megacorps like OpenAI. See also: Capitalism.

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    @yuki2501 @davidrevoy

    There is no non-evil Gen AI.

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    • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

      @kwazekwaze @kimcrawley ? I'm not trying to appeal others with my ideas on the topic, I just say what I think and do, unfiltred. I'm an independent artist with a comic project, not a doing PR strategy. 🤣

      Also, FIY, in Free Libre and Open Source gfx, we have a library part of GMIC like nn_lib ( see 5.2 in https://gmic.eu/gmic325/ ), that is "neural network learning". It use small, ethical dataset. It's for making better filters, it runs local, etc... The nuance is for that type of projects.

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      @davidrevoy @kimcrawley Yeah man, I know. The "well-meaning individuals" part was referring to you! I ain't accusing you of malignance.

      Try this: Imagine a world where half the critical articles about bitcoin had the author ending with "now don't get me wrong I'm not actually opposed to all crypto. SHA-256 and SSH are actually super useful technologies".

      A little weird, right?

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      • kwazekwaze@mastodon.socialK kwazekwaze@mastodon.social

        @davidrevoy @kimcrawley Yeah man, I know. The "well-meaning individuals" part was referring to you! I ain't accusing you of malignance.

        Try this: Imagine a world where half the critical articles about bitcoin had the author ending with "now don't get me wrong I'm not actually opposed to all crypto. SHA-256 and SSH are actually super useful technologies".

        A little weird, right?

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        @kwazekwaze @davidrevoy

        Well, he's got to play into the little trick Sam Altman chose when he came up with the term Gen AI so people who oppose the planet destroying torment nexus can get get pushback with "so you want the scripts that make NPC in SNES game do a thing when the player does a thing to be *illegal*?!"

        Meanwhile, there is no agreed upon definition of "AI" in computer science.

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        • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

          New blog post: "Forbidding generative AI and LLMs on Pepper&Carrot"
          https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1129/forbidding-generative-ai-and-llms-on-peppercarrot

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          @davidrevoy This reminds me, have you seen this animation?

          https://youtube.com/shorts/G9D_PL61_pA

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          • yuki2501@masto.hackers.townY yuki2501@masto.hackers.town

            @davidrevoy This reminds me, have you seen this animation?

            https://youtube.com/shorts/G9D_PL61_pA

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            @yuki2501 aww, amazing. Thanks for sharing, I'll follow the author.

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              @mangeurdenuage Idem, bonne nuit!

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              • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                New blog post: "Forbidding generative AI and LLMs on Pepper&Carrot"
                https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1129/forbidding-generative-ai-and-llms-on-peppercarrot

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                @davidrevoy Your illustration is pitch perfect.

                Go get 'em, Carrot!

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                • kimcrawley@zeroes.caK kimcrawley@zeroes.ca

                  @davidrevoy

                  David, I thought you were really cool. But it turns out you're not really against Gen AI after all.

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                  @kimcrawley@zeroes.ca @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org hi sorry i'm wanting to understand your position on what counts as generative ai since im not quite clear on ur stance?

                  so uh in ur other replies u mentioned generative ai from before 2022 is distinct and u use genai only to refer to technologies from after 2022(year of chatgpt relase which i assume is why u picked it?). gpt-3 released in 2020, would you still condemn it and/or classify it under generative ai?

                  what about alphafold 3? protein folding model released in 2024

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                  • yuki2501@masto.hackers.townY yuki2501@masto.hackers.town

                    @davidrevoy This reminds me, have you seen this animation?

                    https://youtube.com/shorts/G9D_PL61_pA

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                    @yuki2501 @davidrevoy cripes

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                    • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                      New blog post: "Forbidding generative AI and LLMs on Pepper&Carrot"
                      https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1129/forbidding-generative-ai-and-llms-on-peppercarrot

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                      @davidrevoy consider also adding AGENTS.md to enforce it! https://github.com/manyfold3d/manyfold/blob/main/AGENTS.md

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                      • tragivictoria@mastodon.catgirl.cloudT tragivictoria@mastodon.catgirl.cloud

                        @Poslovitch@wikis.world @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org I need to see that wallpaper!!

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                        @tragivictoria
                        Me too
                        @Poslovitch @davidrevoy

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                        • nours@eldritch.cafeN nours@eldritch.cafe

                          @tragivictoria
                          Me too
                          @Poslovitch @davidrevoy

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                          @tragivictoria
                          It's this : https://images.pling.com/cache/400x400/img/00/00/76/60/24/2132182/2023-07-27-fighting-for-the-open-web-by-david-revoy-ts.jpg ?
                          @Poslovitch @davidrevoy

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