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  3. ahh, the HP 9133A - the largest and heaviest external 3 1/2" floppy drive ever built.

ahh, the HP 9133A - the largest and heaviest external 3 1/2" floppy drive ever built.

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  • bsdphk@fosstodon.orgB bsdphk@fosstodon.org

    @tubetime

    Ok, figured the interleave out:

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    Now we just need an examiner for the AutoArchaeologist to list the HP-BASIC programs

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    @tubetime

    Hmm, i think there's still something not quite right about the interleave: I'm seeing too much 0x6d 0xb6 in places it should not be.

    Or maybe there is a bad-block remapping we need to figure out.

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    • bsdphk@fosstodon.orgB bsdphk@fosstodon.org

      @tubetime

      Hmm, i think there's still something not quite right about the interleave: I'm seeing too much 0x6d 0xb6 in places it should not be.

      Or maybe there is a bad-block remapping we need to figure out.

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      @tubetime

      Ok, I think I got it now.

      The interleave is:

      [0, 9, 18, 27, 4, 13, 22, 8, 17, 26, 3, 12, 21, 30, 7, 16, 25, 2, 11, 20, 29, 6, 15, 24, 1, 10, 19, 28, 5, 14]

      I've also added a very rudimentary BASIC-detokenizer (git pull to get it), and updated the output here:

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      Master Index: HP85 Basic

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      (Bedtime in Denmark now 🙂

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      • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

        digging around on this drive, i've found a bunch of software for the HP-85, including a program designed to control the HP 5005B Signature Multimeter. presumably none of this stuff has ever been preserved before.

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        huh, i reconnected everything and plugged the drive into my HP85, and it actually works! i can read the files on it.

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        • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

          huh, i reconnected everything and plugged the drive into my HP85, and it actually works! i can read the files on it.

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          one of the programs.

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          • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

            one of the programs.

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            unfortunately the floppy drive isn't quite working. i can't format this new disk. the drive makes a very rattly sound, so it's probably something mechanical.

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            • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

              unfortunately the floppy drive isn't quite working. i can't format this new disk. the drive makes a very rattly sound, so it's probably something mechanical.

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              3 1/2" = light mode
              5 1/4" = dark mode

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              • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                huh, i reconnected everything and plugged the drive into my HP85, and it actually works! i can read the files on it.

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                @tubetime

                Oh pretty HP85. HP and 3M executives never suffered the pain they should have for inflicting those damn DC100A cartridge/drives on users.

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                • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                  3 1/2" = light mode
                  5 1/4" = dark mode

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                  @tubetime why do these seem like GPIB devices

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                  • darryl_ramm@hachyderm.ioD darryl_ramm@hachyderm.io

                    @tubetime

                    Oh pretty HP85. HP and 3M executives never suffered the pain they should have for inflicting those damn DC100A cartridge/drives on users.

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                    @darryl_ramm yeah those are awful

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                    • xan@xantronix.socialX xan@xantronix.social

                      @tubetime why do these seem like GPIB devices

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                      @xan they are HPIB which is technically not GPIB. but basically yeah.

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                      • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                        @xan they are HPIB which is technically not GPIB. but basically yeah.

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                        @tubetime I knew it! They've got that testing equipment physiognomy (I wanted to say HPIB originally but I was honestly expecting to catch heat from somebody saying "WELL ACKSHUALLY" in the other direction)

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                        • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                          @darryl_ramm yeah those are awful

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                          @tubetime

                          It's not like they were ever that reliable to start with.

                          **Insert ad for EBKS multipurpose storage/expansion module for HP80 Series**

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                          EBTKS Overview — EBTKS 1.0 documentation

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                          Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.

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                          Thanks Philip et al. My 85 and 87 have them.

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                          • darryl_ramm@hachyderm.ioD darryl_ramm@hachyderm.io

                            @tubetime

                            It's not like they were ever that reliable to start with.

                            **Insert ad for EBKS multipurpose storage/expansion module for HP80 Series**

                            Link Preview Image
                            EBTKS Overview — EBTKS 1.0 documentation

                            favicon

                            (www.fliptronics.com)

                            - YouTube

                            Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.

                            favicon

                            (www.youtube.com)

                            Thanks Philip et al. My 85 and 87 have them.

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                            @darryl_ramm i have one in this machine.

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                            • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                              one of the programs.

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                              @tubetime

                              Cool!

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                              • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                                huh, i reconnected everything and plugged the drive into my HP85, and it actually works! i can read the files on it.

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                                @tubetime so gorgeous and stunning

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                                • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                                  one of the programs.

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                                  @tubetime

                                  If you have an easy way to accomplish it, can you send me listings of some of the programs, so I can work on the BASIC lister code ?

                                  For instance the "BIORHY" program, which I suspect is a HP demo ?

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                                  • bsdphk@fosstodon.orgB bsdphk@fosstodon.org

                                    @tubetime

                                    If you have an easy way to accomplish it, can you send me listings of some of the programs, so I can work on the BASIC lister code ?

                                    For instance the "BIORHY" program, which I suspect is a HP demo ?

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                                    @bsdphk sent you the file in an email.

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                                    • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                                      @bsdphk sent you the file in an email.

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                                      @tubetime

                                      Thanks, got it.

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                                      • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                                        3 1/2" = light mode
                                        5 1/4" = dark mode

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                                        got some time to take the drive out again and clean it again. i ended up having to remove this entire sliding side plate because there was still some old crusty lubricant. it is much better now. i also lubricated the head stepper worm gear.

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                                        • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                                          got some time to take the drive out again and clean it again. i ended up having to remove this entire sliding side plate because there was still some old crusty lubricant. it is much better now. i also lubricated the head stepper worm gear.

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                                          much better, it actually formats the disk! BTW this 3 1/2" format is very odd. 600 rpm, 66 tracks, 16 sectors per track, single-sided, 270K capacity, 256 byte sectors.

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