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systemd lost the plot a long time ago.

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  • luxifer@social.luxiferapp.comL luxifer@social.luxiferapp.com
    @lumiworx @nixCraft I didn't say systemd had to do it. But acting proactively before those dumb politicians starts banning Linux distribution that don't support is at least something. But I agree with you it has nothing to do there in the first place
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    @luxifer @nixCraft

    I appreciate that everyone, including all of us in this thread are actively looking and thinking about where things stand at this moment.

    The facts are clear enough that it was preemptive and was most certainly _not_ a requirement forced by lawsuites or legal actions.

    As I've mentioned elsewhere, unjust and unfit laws are overturned often, but I'll add that capitulation is not a fitting way to deal with privacy principals and personal freedoms.

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    • jenesuispersonne@piaille.frJ jenesuispersonne@piaille.fr

      @nixCraft but now gnome and kde enforce systemd usage..
      We're fucked.

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      @jenesuispersonne @nixCraft xfce

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        @nixCraft Please, just stop using the term "Unix philosophy" as a fetish. There's a ton of great software that does not follow it, and I've seen enough failing init scripts in my life to convince me that endlessly stringing tools together with pipes is not a robust way of writing software.

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        @hokid it's not like systemd is one big blob.
        That's how people argue.

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          @luxifer @nixCraft Why is it in systemd though. Why not a separate age daemon!

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            @luxifer @nixCraft Its not one or the other. Fork it, take the useful bits at the core, and throw away the bloat!

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            • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

              systemd lost the plot a long time ago. they stopped following the Unix philosophy and now they're busy adding nonsense like age verification. Just like Firefox, systemd doesn't understand its core user base. There are plenty of distros without systemd

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              @nixCraft corporate Linux takeover

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              • nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.socialN nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social

                @bazkie @nixCraft

                blegh! this type of dependency on something that should be totally independent is a sign of structural failure, i suppose..

                Exactly this.

                Systemd has completely lost sight of its entire purpose. It should be simple, minimal, and just get the job done. It sure shouldn't become... this...

                (And I too am a Debian person. I kind of don't really want to switch right now though.)

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                @nazokiyoubinbou @bazkie @nixCraft i wonder if whatever junk theyre putting into systemd would be cut short by running the debian to ageless conversion script? i'd hope so #agelesslinux https://agelesslinux.org/

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                • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                  systemd lost the plot a long time ago. they stopped following the Unix philosophy and now they're busy adding nonsense like age verification. Just like Firefox, systemd doesn't understand its core user base. There are plenty of distros without systemd

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                  @nixCraft There’s little wrong with openRC, I don’t get the hate. Every system I have and there’s about 30 of them, run openrc. Except one. These are hypervisors, firewall/routers, vms and servers. I put systemd on the desktop variant only because.. and there’s really no reason for it other than curiosity. My laptop runs openrc and it’s problem free.

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                    @nazokiyoubinbou @bazkie @nixCraft i wonder if whatever junk theyre putting into systemd would be cut short by running the debian to ageless conversion script? i'd hope so #agelesslinux https://agelesslinux.org/

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                    @snosrapkungfu that's interesting! gonna give that a read later tnx

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                    • jenesuispersonne@piaille.frJ jenesuispersonne@piaille.fr

                      @nixCraft but now gnome and kde enforce systemd usage..
                      We're fucked.

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                      @jenesuispersonne @nixCraft KDE is only enforcing systemd on their login manager, not the desktop. One of their contributors cleared this up.

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