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systemd lost the plot a long time ago.

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  • oz1tmm@techhub.socialO oz1tmm@techhub.social

    @hokid @nixCraft
    It would be quite fine if the software you strung together would follow the principle.

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    @oz1tmm @nixCraft In my experience, all that is ever written this way is yet another static site generator nobody else can use to blog about the Unix philosophy.

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    • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

      systemd lost the plot a long time ago. they stopped following the Unix philosophy and now they're busy adding nonsense like age verification. Just like Firefox, systemd doesn't understand its core user base. There are plenty of distros without systemd

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      @nixCraft but now gnome and kde enforce systemd usage..
      We're fucked.

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        @luxifer @nixCraft

        Sorry, but there is no logical reason for systemd to need details that specific and precise for any purpose other than age verification.

        If it were for birthday lookups for 'well wishers', it would be held in the calendar app. If it were for parental control, it would be under that heading, and only as a toggle of yes/no, on access to XYZ.

        To think that it has a place in sustemd at all leads to a question of why any PPI data is necessary in ANY subsystem. It's not.

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        • lumiworx@mastodon.socialL lumiworx@mastodon.social

          @luxifer @nixCraft

          Sorry, but there is no logical reason for systemd to need details that specific and precise for any purpose other than age verification.

          If it were for birthday lookups for 'well wishers', it would be held in the calendar app. If it were for parental control, it would be under that heading, and only as a toggle of yes/no, on access to XYZ.

          To think that it has a place in sustemd at all leads to a question of why any PPI data is necessary in ANY subsystem. It's not.

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          @lumiworx @nixCraft I didn't say systemd had to do it. But acting proactively before those dumb politicians starts banning Linux distribution that don't support is at least something. But I agree with you it has nothing to do there in the first place
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            @luxifer @nixCraft

            And if there's any doubt at all about the reasoning, read the very first entry in the now-closed and merged issue itself....

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            • luxifer@social.luxiferapp.comL luxifer@social.luxiferapp.com
              @lumiworx @nixCraft I didn't say systemd had to do it. But acting proactively before those dumb politicians starts banning Linux distribution that don't support is at least something. But I agree with you it has nothing to do there in the first place
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              @luxifer @nixCraft

              I appreciate that everyone, including all of us in this thread are actively looking and thinking about where things stand at this moment.

              The facts are clear enough that it was preemptive and was most certainly _not_ a requirement forced by lawsuites or legal actions.

              As I've mentioned elsewhere, unjust and unfit laws are overturned often, but I'll add that capitulation is not a fitting way to deal with privacy principals and personal freedoms.

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              • jenesuispersonne@piaille.frJ jenesuispersonne@piaille.fr

                @nixCraft but now gnome and kde enforce systemd usage..
                We're fucked.

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                @jenesuispersonne @nixCraft xfce

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                • H hokid@mastodon.social

                  @nixCraft Please, just stop using the term "Unix philosophy" as a fetish. There's a ton of great software that does not follow it, and I've seen enough failing init scripts in my life to convince me that endlessly stringing tools together with pipes is not a robust way of writing software.

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                  @hokid it's not like systemd is one big blob.
                  That's how people argue.

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                    @luxifer @nixCraft Why is it in systemd though. Why not a separate age daemon!

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                      @luxifer @nixCraft Its not one or the other. Fork it, take the useful bits at the core, and throw away the bloat!

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                      • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                        systemd lost the plot a long time ago. they stopped following the Unix philosophy and now they're busy adding nonsense like age verification. Just like Firefox, systemd doesn't understand its core user base. There are plenty of distros without systemd

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                        @nixCraft corporate Linux takeover

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                        • nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.socialN nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social

                          @bazkie @nixCraft

                          blegh! this type of dependency on something that should be totally independent is a sign of structural failure, i suppose..

                          Exactly this.

                          Systemd has completely lost sight of its entire purpose. It should be simple, minimal, and just get the job done. It sure shouldn't become... this...

                          (And I too am a Debian person. I kind of don't really want to switch right now though.)

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                          @nazokiyoubinbou @bazkie @nixCraft i wonder if whatever junk theyre putting into systemd would be cut short by running the debian to ageless conversion script? i'd hope so #agelesslinux https://agelesslinux.org/

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                            systemd lost the plot a long time ago. they stopped following the Unix philosophy and now they're busy adding nonsense like age verification. Just like Firefox, systemd doesn't understand its core user base. There are plenty of distros without systemd

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                            @nixCraft There’s little wrong with openRC, I don’t get the hate. Every system I have and there’s about 30 of them, run openrc. Except one. These are hypervisors, firewall/routers, vms and servers. I put systemd on the desktop variant only because.. and there’s really no reason for it other than curiosity. My laptop runs openrc and it’s problem free.

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                            • snosrapkungfu@mastodon.socialS snosrapkungfu@mastodon.social

                              @nazokiyoubinbou @bazkie @nixCraft i wonder if whatever junk theyre putting into systemd would be cut short by running the debian to ageless conversion script? i'd hope so #agelesslinux https://agelesslinux.org/

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                              @snosrapkungfu that's interesting! gonna give that a read later tnx

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                              • jenesuispersonne@piaille.frJ jenesuispersonne@piaille.fr

                                @nixCraft but now gnome and kde enforce systemd usage..
                                We're fucked.

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                                @jenesuispersonne @nixCraft KDE is only enforcing systemd on their login manager, not the desktop. One of their contributors cleared this up.

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