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Republicans talk about the SAVE Act as if it just requires a photo ID.

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  • disorderlyf@todon.euD disorderlyf@todon.eu

    @gwynnion Does Texas even still let you change the name and/or gender on your birth certificate? Because I suspect a lot of people forgot there were US states where you could be on HRT for a decade, have had multiple surgeries, and be at a point where not a single person knows or even clocks you as anything other than your identified gender, and it still won't be enough years before the current administration.

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    @disorderlyf Texas used to. But it was all kind of sketchy. You can't anymore.

    But no, they're not forgetting that you can be 30 years into transition and not have an updated birth cert. That's the point.

    @gwynnion

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    • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

      And for the millionth time, "voter fraud" is fake. It's been proven to be fake many, many times. It's not real.

      It doesn't happen except in the rarest cases, and even then it's usually white Republicans doing it!

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      @gwynnion
      Hell, when it isn't republicans it's usually just a mistake, not even intentional. Convicts unaware they couldn't vote for X race when they were told they could vote for Y races. Or a grandmother mixing up what ID she was using or whatever.

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      • disorderlyf@todon.euD disorderlyf@todon.eu

        @gwynnion Does Texas even still let you change the name and/or gender on your birth certificate? Because I suspect a lot of people forgot there were US states where you could be on HRT for a decade, have had multiple surgeries, and be at a point where not a single person knows or even clocks you as anything other than your identified gender, and it still won't be enough years before the current administration.

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        @disorderlyf Ken Paxton has blocked all of those options as part of his ongoing war on trans people and has been collecting a database of people requesting name and gender marker changes even on their driver's licenses.

        My name change was done decades ago but never affected my birth certificate, and even a court order to that effect would be refused these days.

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        • greenroc@mastodon.socialG greenroc@mastodon.social

          @gwynnion And marriage discouraged.

          I dont have my birth certificate because my parents held onto it, and never passed it down to me because they died without letting me know where the thing was hidden in their home.

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          @GreenRoc As an FYI, many states/counties will let you order a replacement copy of your BC if you need it for some reason. You typically have to provide a picture of your ID or similar because they won't give it out to just anyone. But if you need it for something, it's like $30 plus postage (and spoons to fill out government forms).

          It's still not something that most people should need easy access to and requiring it for random things is absolutely toxic AF.

          But in case you wanted yours and didn't know...

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          • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

            And for the millionth time, "voter fraud" is fake. It's been proven to be fake many, many times. It's not real.

            It doesn't happen except in the rarest cases, and even then it's usually white Republicans doing it!

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            Republicans have said repeatedly that women are their political enemies and they don't think women should be allowed to vote because of it.

            They think they would win every election in perpetuity forever.

            Think about that.

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            • faithisleaping@anarres.familyF faithisleaping@anarres.family

              @GreenRoc As an FYI, many states/counties will let you order a replacement copy of your BC if you need it for some reason. You typically have to provide a picture of your ID or similar because they won't give it out to just anyone. But if you need it for something, it's like $30 plus postage (and spoons to fill out government forms).

              It's still not something that most people should need easy access to and requiring it for random things is absolutely toxic AF.

              But in case you wanted yours and didn't know...

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              @faithisleaping the process of ordering one exists outside of my mental capabilities. I'll have to hire someone to help.

              Thank you for the info.

              I kinda knew replacements could be made, but I cant go through the process to get one.

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              • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

                Republicans have said repeatedly that women are their political enemies and they don't think women should be allowed to vote because of it.

                They think they would win every election in perpetuity forever.

                Think about that.

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                @gwynnion More male shovenism, horrible.

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                • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

                  Republicans have said repeatedly that women are their political enemies and they don't think women should be allowed to vote because of it.

                  They think they would win every election in perpetuity forever.

                  Think about that.

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                  But this would obviously impact a lot of poor, marginalized, and low propensity voters as well.

                  It's facially illegal and unconstitutional for a lot of reasons, too, of course, but you can't rely on Republican captured courts to strike it down either.

                  The SAVE Act is a classic Republican tactic of leveraging Americans' racism and a fake panic over immigrants to push what is effectively a soft coup.

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                  • greenroc@mastodon.socialG greenroc@mastodon.social

                    @faithisleaping the process of ordering one exists outside of my mental capabilities. I'll have to hire someone to help.

                    Thank you for the info.

                    I kinda knew replacements could be made, but I cant go through the process to get one.

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                    @GreenRoc I get that and I'm not too surprised.

                    If I were local, I'd offer to help. It's basically the same process I went through to do my name change on mine. But I'm not. 😒

                    But, yeah, those processes are opaque and confusing at best. 😩

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                    • faithisleaping@anarres.familyF faithisleaping@anarres.family

                      @GreenRoc I get that and I'm not too surprised.

                      If I were local, I'd offer to help. It's basically the same process I went through to do my name change on mine. But I'm not. 😒

                      But, yeah, those processes are opaque and confusing at best. 😩

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                      #17

                      @faithisleaping I appreciate the kind thoughts, thank you.

                      I do have some support people around, but I keep forgetting to ask them to help.

                      I'll try to remember someday.

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                      • greenroc@mastodon.socialG greenroc@mastodon.social

                        @faithisleaping I appreciate the kind thoughts, thank you.

                        I do have some support people around, but I keep forgetting to ask them to help.

                        I'll try to remember someday.

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                        @GreenRoc If it's helpful, I can at least look up the process for you if you tell me what state you were born in.

                        Or not. I'm just trying to be helpful, not trying to insert myself where I'm not needed.

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                        • faithisleaping@anarres.familyF faithisleaping@anarres.family

                          @GreenRoc If it's helpful, I can at least look up the process for you if you tell me what state you were born in.

                          Or not. I'm just trying to be helpful, not trying to insert myself where I'm not needed.

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                          @faithisleaping I'm in California, but dont worry about helping here. I should just contact my social worker.

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                          • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

                            But this would obviously impact a lot of poor, marginalized, and low propensity voters as well.

                            It's facially illegal and unconstitutional for a lot of reasons, too, of course, but you can't rely on Republican captured courts to strike it down either.

                            The SAVE Act is a classic Republican tactic of leveraging Americans' racism and a fake panic over immigrants to push what is effectively a soft coup.

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                            Republicans and the media will tell you these concerns are overblown.

                            So why is Trump so desperate for it that he's vowed to veto all other legislation until it gets passed?

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                            • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

                              Republicans and the media will tell you these concerns are overblown.

                              So why is Trump so desperate for it that he's vowed to veto all other legislation until it gets passed?

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                              @gwynnion
                              Oh did he switch his 'never sign anything else' to 'veto everything else'?

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                              • greenroc@mastodon.socialG greenroc@mastodon.social

                                @faithisleaping I'm in California, but dont worry about helping here. I should just contact my social worker.

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                                @GreenRoc Looks like you can get it from the California Department of Public Health and it's $31 plus whatever it costs to get it notarized (typically $10-15). Your social worker should be able to help you sort out of the rest of the details.

                                https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CHSI/Pages/Vital-Records-Obtaining-Certified-Copies-of-Birth-Records.aspx

                                But it will involve getting the application notarized so you'll probably have to do it on a day when you feel up to leaving the house. Most banks and pack-and-ship places have notaries. Your social worker should be able to help you find one.

                                Good luck! πŸ’œ And I'm sorry your parents kind of screwed you over on that one.

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                                • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

                                  Republicans have said repeatedly that women are their political enemies and they don't think women should be allowed to vote because of it.

                                  They think they would win every election in perpetuity forever.

                                  Think about that.

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                                  @gwynnion tell that to Republican women

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                                  • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

                                    Republicans talk about the SAVE Act as if it just requires a photo ID.

                                    The voter registration and proof of citizenship requirements are the real problem, as most state driver's licenses won't count as valid ID.

                                    Having to register in person with an overpriced passport, which most people don't need, or a birth certificate in your current name, is designed to frustrate millions of Americans, especially married women who changed their names.

                                    Trump is begging Republicans to pass it for a reason.

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                                    @gwynnion

                                    No matter what they may say, assume that it's either worse than they let on or the opposite of what they suggest.

                                    There's no reason for them to be dishonest at this point, since everyone knows who they are and what they do. But still they want to lie. They can't help themselves.

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                                    • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

                                      Republicans talk about the SAVE Act as if it just requires a photo ID.

                                      The voter registration and proof of citizenship requirements are the real problem, as most state driver's licenses won't count as valid ID.

                                      Having to register in person with an overpriced passport, which most people don't need, or a birth certificate in your current name, is designed to frustrate millions of Americans, especially married women who changed their names.

                                      Trump is begging Republicans to pass it for a reason.

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                                      @gwynnion It's called voter suppression.

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                                      • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

                                        Republicans talk about the SAVE Act as if it just requires a photo ID.

                                        The voter registration and proof of citizenship requirements are the real problem, as most state driver's licenses won't count as valid ID.

                                        Having to register in person with an overpriced passport, which most people don't need, or a birth certificate in your current name, is designed to frustrate millions of Americans, especially married women who changed their names.

                                        Trump is begging Republicans to pass it for a reason.

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                                        @gwynnion There's some deceptive language in the bill that says that a REAL ID which proves citizenship is acceptable at the polls. The trick is that most REAL IDs do not prove citizenship -- legal resident aliens are eligible, and get them all the time. The ones that do ("enhanced" REAL ID) are available in only a few border states, and most residents of those states don't have them because even there, it's an extra bother.

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                                        • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

                                          @disorderlyf Ken Paxton has blocked all of those options as part of his ongoing war on trans people and has been collecting a database of people requesting name and gender marker changes even on their driver's licenses.

                                          My name change was done decades ago but never affected my birth certificate, and even a court order to that effect would be refused these days.

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                                          @gwynnion I knew he was collecting absurd amounts of data but I wasn't sure if it was even still possible. It sounds like even if you weren't discouraged by the blatantly nazi-like policy, it's impossible now.

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