You know what WON’T get stuck in the Strait of Hormuz?
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@TomDB
Every company can make the right decision and install that, same for individuals
@greenpeace@Rio @greenpeace no, only if the cost is right. Not everyone can afford it though.
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@Rio @greenpeace no, only if the cost is right. Not everyone can afford it though.
@TomDB
Not only the cost for the current year, a BESS can secure ~60 to 80% of the electricity need for 10 or 20 years.
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You know what WON’T get stuck in the Strait of Hormuz?
Solar and wind energy
@greenpeace
Well I hear the straight of Hormuz has mountains around it and those don't really let wind through
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@TomDB
Not only the cost for the current year, a BESS can secure ~60 to 80% of the electricity need for 10 or 20 years.
@greenpeace@Rio @greenpeace I am
Aware of that, it’s just that we need 100% and on a continuous level. ~60-80% is not going to cut it. We need to build better and cooperate better. Ow, and get rid of lobbyists. -
You know what WON’T get stuck in the Strait of Hormuz?
Solar and wind energy
@greenpeace True. It's always mediocre men that try to "correct" this type of post, isn't it?
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@mrbrown
Suez caused our panels to stop working?
The trouble with placing windmills in the Suez is not only do the blades get stuck in the mud banks, but even when they work, they tend to chop the superstructures off of passing ships. -
@greenpeace Pity the sun doesn’t shine at night and battery complexes aren’t yet build over there. We’re not yet at the right stage for this comment.
@TomDB does the wind also stop blowing at night?
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@TomDB does the wind also stop blowing at night?
@greenpeace@Tattie @greenpeace With the risk of you already knowing: if the wind blows too hard or too little the windmills are on the brake and don’t run. So between 2 and about 5-6 BFT is ideal. Outside those windspeeds/strengths windmillls are shut off. That also limits partly production at night when wind may fall off or be very minimal.
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@Tattie @greenpeace With the risk of you already knowing: if the wind blows too hard or too little the windmills are on the brake and don’t run. So between 2 and about 5-6 BFT is ideal. Outside those windspeeds/strengths windmillls are shut off. That also limits partly production at night when wind may fall off or be very minimal.
@TomDB wow! You're really opening my eyes as to how limited renewable energy is! And I remember reading all these wonderful articles about how well renewables were doing in, Denmark I think? Not I guess realistically you don't expect them to get past a couple of percent of their electricity generated that way, huh?
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@TomDB wow! You're really opening my eyes as to how limited renewable energy is! And I remember reading all these wonderful articles about how well renewables were doing in, Denmark I think? Not I guess realistically you don't expect them to get past a couple of percent of their electricity generated that way, huh?
@Tattie More than half of Danish energy is from fossil fuel (oil mainly; data from 2023). I still stand by my first statement that we're not there yet to instantly switch from fossil to wind/sun/battery. But hey, you could have looked up that data yourself in stead of giving snarky sarcastic remarks.
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@Tattie More than half of Danish energy is from fossil fuel (oil mainly; data from 2023). I still stand by my first statement that we're not there yet to instantly switch from fossil to wind/sun/battery. But hey, you could have looked up that data yourself in stead of giving snarky sarcastic remarks.
@TomDB I'm sorry, I did look it up but I didn't quite believe the data. Are you telling me almost half of their energy is from renewable energy?! And this was three years ago?! That's unbelievable! How did they get past all the shortcomings you brought up earlier? Those sounded pretty insurmountable.
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@TomDB I'm sorry, I did look it up but I didn't quite believe the data. Are you telling me almost half of their energy is from renewable energy?! And this was three years ago?! That's unbelievable! How did they get past all the shortcomings you brought up earlier? Those sounded pretty insurmountable.
@Tattie Ever look up that they are one of few countries with the 2 largest windfarms. That also means space is used up for other countries. And the load factor is about 20-25 %. So they need a lot of windmils to compensate for service outages, wind still days (yes they do still exist) and replacing of windmills due to wear and tear. You also cannot extrapolate their favourable situation to other countries. Your answer does seem to imply identical situatons for all countries which is not true.
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@Tattie Ever look up that they are one of few countries with the 2 largest windfarms. That also means space is used up for other countries. And the load factor is about 20-25 %. So they need a lot of windmils to compensate for service outages, wind still days (yes they do still exist) and replacing of windmills due to wear and tear. You also cannot extrapolate their favourable situation to other countries. Your answer does seem to imply identical situatons for all countries which is not true.
@Tattie And they still have the same shortcomings you so willingly want to ignore. Care to explain why they are still using fossil oil?
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@Tattie And they still have the same shortcomings you so willingly want to ignore. Care to explain why they are still using fossil oil?
@TomDB I can't explain anything to you! I'm totally clueless about renewable energy, whereas you really seem to be an expert in energy production!
So am I understanding you right that sea area availability and cost are the two big limitating factors? But Denmark building all these winds farms is preventing loads of other countries using the same sea? So Denmark is actual building these farms in other countries' water? Or it's buying energy from wind farms owned by other countries?
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@TomDB I can't explain anything to you! I'm totally clueless about renewable energy, whereas you really seem to be an expert in energy production!
So am I understanding you right that sea area availability and cost are the two big limitating factors? But Denmark building all these winds farms is preventing loads of other countries using the same sea? So Denmark is actual building these farms in other countries' water? Or it's buying energy from wind farms owned by other countries?
@Tattie Apparently comprehensive reading is not your forte.
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@Tattie Apparently comprehensive reading is not your forte.
@TomDB perhaps not, could you explain in more simple terms for me?
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@TomDB perhaps not, could you explain in more simple terms for me?
@Tattie Nope, try trolling yourself.
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@Tattie Nope, try trolling yourself.
@TomDB it's just... you said that Denmark making all these wind farms is preventing other countries from doing so. So the only way I can understand that is these wind farms must be in other countries waters?
I mean, otherwise, someone seeing this conversation might think you were straight-up lying to discredit renewable energy, but I really don't get that vibe from you. You really do seem to be arguing in good faith. I've probably just misunderstood.
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