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You know what WON’T get stuck in the Strait of Hormuz?

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  • mrbrown@mastodon.unoM mrbrown@mastodon.uno

    @greenpeace that one got stuck in Suez, have you forgotten? also it can get stuck in Malacca.
    just in case you missed what happens around Taiwan

    so naive 😉

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    @mrbrown
    Suez caused our panels to stop working?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KtQ9nt2ZeGM
    @greenpeace

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    • exyi@ioc.exchangeE exyi@ioc.exchange

      @mrbrown
      Suez caused our panels to stop working?

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KtQ9nt2ZeGM
      @greenpeace

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      @exyi no that's just you twisting the argument. I think this makes you feel smart.
      Ideology is always easier. Real life is harder. You're not different from Trump MAGA, just on the opposite side.
      Have fun. go to study😉

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      • mrbrown@mastodon.unoM mrbrown@mastodon.uno

        @exyi no that's just you twisting the argument. I think this makes you feel smart.
        Ideology is always easier. Real life is harder. You're not different from Trump MAGA, just on the opposite side.
        Have fun. go to study😉

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        @mrbrown
        What am I twisting and what do you want me to study?

        Do the panels/windmills stop working or not? Combustion engines certainly don't work when you suddenly cannot import enough oil.

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        • exyi@ioc.exchangeE exyi@ioc.exchange

          @mrbrown
          What am I twisting and what do you want me to study?

          Do the panels/windmills stop working or not? Combustion engines certainly don't work when you suddenly cannot import enough oil.

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          @exyi you're so brilliant👏 show me more! 😂

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          • greenpeace@mastodon.socialG greenpeace@mastodon.social

            You know what WON’T get stuck in the Strait of Hormuz?

            Solar and wind energy

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            @greenpeace A submarine?

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            • tomdb@mastodon-belgium.beT tomdb@mastodon-belgium.be

              @greenpeace Pity the sun doesn’t shine at night and battery complexes aren’t yet build over there. We’re not yet at the right stage for this comment.

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              @TomDB
              Every company can make the right decision and install that, same for individuals
              @greenpeace

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              • greenpeace@mastodon.socialG greenpeace@mastodon.social

                You know what WON’T get stuck in the Strait of Hormuz?

                Solar and wind energy

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                @greenpeace I'm happy that I'm in Greece, where renewables covered 46.7% of electricity usage in 2025. We can still do better, though, especially in transportation where far too little is electrified.

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                • rio@mastodon.socialR rio@mastodon.social

                  @TomDB
                  Every company can make the right decision and install that, same for individuals
                  @greenpeace

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                  @Rio @greenpeace no, only if the cost is right. Not everyone can afford it though.

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                  • tomdb@mastodon-belgium.beT tomdb@mastodon-belgium.be

                    @Rio @greenpeace no, only if the cost is right. Not everyone can afford it though.

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                    @TomDB
                    Not only the cost for the current year, a BESS can secure ~60 to 80% of the electricity need for 10 or 20 years.
                    @greenpeace

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                    • greenpeace@mastodon.socialG greenpeace@mastodon.social

                      You know what WON’T get stuck in the Strait of Hormuz?

                      Solar and wind energy

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                      @greenpeace
                      Well I hear the straight of Hormuz has mountains around it and those don't really let wind through 😂
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                      • rio@mastodon.socialR rio@mastodon.social

                        @TomDB
                        Not only the cost for the current year, a BESS can secure ~60 to 80% of the electricity need for 10 or 20 years.
                        @greenpeace

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                        @Rio @greenpeace I am
                        Aware of that, it’s just that we need 100% and on a continuous level. ~60-80% is not going to cut it. We need to build better and cooperate better. Ow, and get rid of lobbyists.

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                        • greenpeace@mastodon.socialG greenpeace@mastodon.social

                          You know what WON’T get stuck in the Strait of Hormuz?

                          Solar and wind energy

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                          @greenpeace True. It's always mediocre men that try to "correct" this type of post, isn't it?

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                          • exyi@ioc.exchangeE exyi@ioc.exchange

                            @mrbrown
                            Suez caused our panels to stop working?

                            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KtQ9nt2ZeGM
                            @greenpeace

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                            @exyi @mrbrown @greenpeace

                            😆 The trouble with placing windmills in the Suez is not only do the blades get stuck in the mud banks, but even when they work, they tend to chop the superstructures off of passing ships.

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                            • tomdb@mastodon-belgium.beT tomdb@mastodon-belgium.be

                              @greenpeace Pity the sun doesn’t shine at night and battery complexes aren’t yet build over there. We’re not yet at the right stage for this comment.

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                              @TomDB does the wind also stop blowing at night?
                              @greenpeace

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                              • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

                                @TomDB does the wind also stop blowing at night?
                                @greenpeace

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                                @Tattie @greenpeace With the risk of you already knowing: if the wind blows too hard or too little the windmills are on the brake and don’t run. So between 2 and about 5-6 BFT is ideal. Outside those windspeeds/strengths windmillls are shut off. That also limits partly production at night when wind may fall off or be very minimal.

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                                • tomdb@mastodon-belgium.beT tomdb@mastodon-belgium.be

                                  @Tattie @greenpeace With the risk of you already knowing: if the wind blows too hard or too little the windmills are on the brake and don’t run. So between 2 and about 5-6 BFT is ideal. Outside those windspeeds/strengths windmillls are shut off. That also limits partly production at night when wind may fall off or be very minimal.

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                                  @TomDB wow! You're really opening my eyes as to how limited renewable energy is! And I remember reading all these wonderful articles about how well renewables were doing in, Denmark I think? Not I guess realistically you don't expect them to get past a couple of percent of their electricity generated that way, huh?

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                                  • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

                                    @TomDB wow! You're really opening my eyes as to how limited renewable energy is! And I remember reading all these wonderful articles about how well renewables were doing in, Denmark I think? Not I guess realistically you don't expect them to get past a couple of percent of their electricity generated that way, huh?

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                                    @Tattie More than half of Danish energy is from fossil fuel (oil mainly; data from 2023). I still stand by my first statement that we're not there yet to instantly switch from fossil to wind/sun/battery. But hey, you could have looked up that data yourself in stead of giving snarky sarcastic remarks.

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                                    • tomdb@mastodon-belgium.beT tomdb@mastodon-belgium.be

                                      @Tattie More than half of Danish energy is from fossil fuel (oil mainly; data from 2023). I still stand by my first statement that we're not there yet to instantly switch from fossil to wind/sun/battery. But hey, you could have looked up that data yourself in stead of giving snarky sarcastic remarks.

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                                      @TomDB I'm sorry, I did look it up but I didn't quite believe the data. Are you telling me almost half of their energy is from renewable energy?! And this was three years ago?! That's unbelievable! How did they get past all the shortcomings you brought up earlier? Those sounded pretty insurmountable.

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                                      • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

                                        @TomDB I'm sorry, I did look it up but I didn't quite believe the data. Are you telling me almost half of their energy is from renewable energy?! And this was three years ago?! That's unbelievable! How did they get past all the shortcomings you brought up earlier? Those sounded pretty insurmountable.

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                                        @Tattie Ever look up that they are one of few countries with the 2 largest windfarms. That also means space is used up for other countries. And the load factor is about 20-25 %. So they need a lot of windmils to compensate for service outages, wind still days (yes they do still exist) and replacing of windmills due to wear and tear. You also cannot extrapolate their favourable situation to other countries. Your answer does seem to imply identical situatons for all countries which is not true.

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                                        • tomdb@mastodon-belgium.beT tomdb@mastodon-belgium.be

                                          @Tattie Ever look up that they are one of few countries with the 2 largest windfarms. That also means space is used up for other countries. And the load factor is about 20-25 %. So they need a lot of windmils to compensate for service outages, wind still days (yes they do still exist) and replacing of windmills due to wear and tear. You also cannot extrapolate their favourable situation to other countries. Your answer does seem to imply identical situatons for all countries which is not true.

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                                          @Tattie And they still have the same shortcomings you so willingly want to ignore. Care to explain why they are still using fossil oil?

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