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Apparently chardet got Claude to rewrite the entire codebase from LGPL to MIT?

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  • foxboron@chaos.socialF foxboron@chaos.social

    @scy
    US court is leaning towards that LLM generated code is fundamentally not copyrightable.

    This is a different problem to the moral issues I have with this.

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    @Foxboron @scy@chaos.social That'd be the US system. Then there's the various Euro systems that differ substantially. I'm certainly curious how this will turn out.

    On the other hand: it'd require that those who can enforce their rights here actually do so.
    Given that IP rights are normally enforced pretty harshly, even on consumers (anyone remember the days of the torrent c&d letters or the traditional find&ban the infringing exhibitor days on computex et al?) they're effectively completely ignored on FOSS.
    There is virtually no education for biz, cs or law students on this topic, let alone mandatory ed.

    Presenting the case of possibilities and rights to those who have them is often dismissed by those, especially developers on the younger side or those who are still in a "hobby" / "non commercial" stage. Only to shortly after complain about sustainability and demanding funding.

    Instead we see demands to throw substantial amounts of tax money after random Foss projects on more or less random criteria and evaluators. Which will totally scale, right?

    Virtually every company that was enforced against in terms of FOSS compliance ended up consciously allocating resources to FOSS in various ways. There are a lot of companies and they are a renewable resource in a functional economy.

    But what do I know, rite? I just see the cases.
    /rant

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    • foxboron@chaos.socialF foxboron@chaos.social

      Apparently chardet got Claude to rewrite the entire codebase from LGPL to MIT?

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      Python character encoding detector. Contribute to chardet/chardet development by creating an account on GitHub.

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      That is one way to launder GPL code I guess?

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      @Foxboron today's new term "code laundering" I'll keep that one 😆

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      • xgranade@wandering.shopX xgranade@wandering.shop

        @Foxboron Posted an unkind reply and deleted, sorry. I'm getting frustrated with the whole AI thing today, and I'm not being my best self. I should probably just step offline for a bit.

        This is just so... frustrating.

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        @xgranade
        Yes.

        But lets not clutch pearls over how a understaffed FOSS project decides to merge their work.

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        • foxboron@chaos.socialF foxboron@chaos.social

          @scy
          US court is leaning towards that LLM generated code is fundamentally not copyrightable.

          This is a different problem to the moral issues I have with this.

          kekunplazas@mamot.frK This user is from outside of this forum
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          #85

          @Foxboron @scy So it's not copyrightable, what are they using to apply the MIT license if not their copyright‽ That makes no sense to me. (I'm reacting to you but to what you shared, to be clear.)

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          • foxboron@chaos.socialF foxboron@chaos.social

            Apparently chardet got Claude to rewrite the entire codebase from LGPL to MIT?

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            That is one way to launder GPL code I guess?

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            @Foxboron more like laundered without emptying the lint trap, can't imagine the bugs and vulns a whole AI re-write would do.

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            • foxboron@chaos.socialF foxboron@chaos.social

              Apparently chardet got Claude to rewrite the entire codebase from LGPL to MIT?

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              Release 7.0.0 · chardet/chardet

              Python character encoding detector. Contribute to chardet/chardet development by creating an account on GitHub.

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              That is one way to launder GPL code I guess?

              foxboron@chaos.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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              Seems like the original author saw this as well.

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              No right to relicense this project · Issue #327 · chardet/chardet

              Hi, I'm Mark Pilgrim. You may remember me from such classics as "Dive Into Python" and "Universal Character Encoding Detector." I am the original author of chardet. First off, I would like to thank the current maintainers and everyone wh...

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              Please do not brigade the project.

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              • foxboron@chaos.socialF foxboron@chaos.social

                Apparently chardet got Claude to rewrite the entire codebase from LGPL to MIT?

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                Release 7.0.0 · chardet/chardet

                Python character encoding detector. Contribute to chardet/chardet development by creating an account on GitHub.

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                That is one way to launder GPL code I guess?

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                @Foxboron@chaos.social
                Rewrite the entire codebase
                Argh I can see a disaster coming
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                • foxboron@chaos.socialF foxboron@chaos.social

                  @xgranade
                  Yes.

                  But lets not clutch pearls over how a understaffed FOSS project decides to merge their work.

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                  @Foxboron @xgranade If it was solely his work, he could just change the license. He didn't do that - he felt he had to AI-wash it. That suggests there is in fact other people's work in there that he's trying to AI-wash away their copyright.

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                  • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                    @Foxboron @xgranade If it was solely his work, he could just change the license. He didn't do that - he felt he had to AI-wash it. That suggests there is in fact other people's work in there that he's trying to AI-wash away their copyright.

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                    @davidgerard @xgranade

                    I'm just making a claim that we can't fault people for how they on their pull requests work.

                    For the point you are raising see this issue from 13 years ago.

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                    Changing license · Issue #36 · chardet/chardet

                    This feels strange to be posing as a question, since I'm one of the co-maintainers, but @sigmavirus24 and @erikrose, do you know if it's okay/legal for us to change the license of chardet? Because it was started by Mark Pilgrim I feel li...

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                    • foxboron@chaos.socialF foxboron@chaos.social

                      @davidgerard @xgranade

                      I'm just making a claim that we can't fault people for how they on their pull requests work.

                      For the point you are raising see this issue from 13 years ago.

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                      Changing license · Issue #36 · chardet/chardet

                      This feels strange to be posing as a question, since I'm one of the co-maintainers, but @sigmavirus24 and @erikrose, do you know if it's okay/legal for us to change the license of chardet? Because it was started by Mark Pilgrim I feel li...

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                      @Foxboron @xgranade right, confirming the issue I raised.

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                      • foxboron@chaos.socialF foxboron@chaos.social

                        Apparently chardet got Claude to rewrite the entire codebase from LGPL to MIT?

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                        Release 7.0.0 · chardet/chardet

                        Python character encoding detector. Contribute to chardet/chardet development by creating an account on GitHub.

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                        That is one way to launder GPL code I guess?

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                        njsg@mementomori.social
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                        #92

                        @Foxboron [grabs cp(1) code from some implementation]
                        [compiles but installs it as cp.ai]
                        [chardet-fork: release 1.0: AI-based ground-up rewrite of chardet, public domain]

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