Apparently chardet got Claude to rewrite the entire codebase from LGPL to MIT?

[dalias@hachyderm.io]

@Foxboron @scy This means that anything "new" (i.e. nothing) the "AI" brought to the work is not a creative work that you can hold copyright to just because you were the person prompting/using the "AI".

It does NOT mean that the copyright on whatever the AI plagiarized is void. But that's how the industry will try to spin these rulings. We need to point out this distinction and fight their attempts to mislead in order to seize and enclose our work.

[alper@rls.social]

@Foxboron Might as well rewrite it in rust or zig while he’s at it.

[daryll@mastodon.social]

@Foxboron If AI product, such as code, can't be copyrighted (which seems to be the way the supreme court is going) then I would think it can't be licensed. It's that true?

[douginamug@mastodon.xyz]

@Foxboron https://fosdem.org/2026/schedule/event/SUVS7G-lets_end_open_source_together_with_this_one_simple_trick/ didn't watch this talk yet, but seems relevant!

EDIT: just watched it. Note: _loads_ of genAI video... feels like my brain is a bit broken. But entertaining. Goes through the history of copyright (from books in the 1700s) through to cleanrooming in the 1970s and then strongly makes the point that cleanrooming is "almost free" now.

True to the talk title, the talk offers no solutions, ending with "this is the end of open source as we know it"

[nf3xn@mastodon.social]

@Foxboron Supply chain attack. How do you dispute that with pypi though?

Say you wanted to submit your own chardet, say if you had vibe coded a version from some MIT license back to LGPL.

Become the chardet

[jn@boopsnoot.de]

@Foxboron "Ground-up" in the sense of "run through a grinder"

[macronaut@mas.to]

@Foxboron given the current environment and context of slop peddling techno fascists; I see this as more an avenue of overwhelming and discouraging people from contributing/creating open source software (OSS) than anything else.

OSS is the next step*; which is primarily done by actual people, on their own time, without compensation!! This honorable act is what these techno fascist slop peddlers hate so much.

*First being the hardware RAM/HDD crisis we are in currently.

[leonardof@bertha.social]

@Foxboron If it's in the US, I'm under the impression that code written by an LLM is public domain. That is, supposing it's not illegal as it should be

[skyr@chaos.social]

@Foxboron @scy chances are high that LLM bros suspect it is, that's why they are cutting deals with Big Music. Unfortunately, there's no global-encompassing multi-billion dollar corporation protecting open-source...

[lindsey@recurse.social]

@jn @Foxboron That's exactly the sense that I read it in, and it took me a minute to realize that's not what they meant

[rootwyrm@weird.autos]

@Bubu @Foxboron oh, and I forgot to mention, it's also guaranteed to have numerous instances of code copied verbatim from other projects. Meaning it is also both infringing and subject to other licenses which are likely to include LGPL, GPLv3, and so on.

[froge@social.glitched.systems]

@Foxboron@chaos.social the most hilarious part is that it's not even really MIT licensed, most of this is AI output with no way to distinguish it from human output, in a lot of nations this is machine produced text and just isn't legally valid for anything

he literally doesn't have the authority to relicense this as MIT no matter how much he wants to, because he's not the copyright holder of the code, a machine created most of it

[paul@oldfriends.live]

@thomasjwebb Right now, that is how SCOTUS is leaning regarding AI generated output. They refused to interfere with a patent application and "artist" copyright, leaving it up to the copyright and patent offices to decide, which they said no. Some guy used AI to create a beverage holder and light beacon using AI. When the patent was denied, he tried to copyright the AI created "artist" renditions to get around the patent.

@Foxboron @scy

reuters.com

(www.reuters.com)

https://www.supremecourt.gov/docket/docketfiles/html/public/25-449.html

[bob_zim@infosec.exchange]

@scy @Foxboron It is absolutely a violation for the company which built the model to build a model which emits license-restricted code without following the terms of the license. The model doesn’t commit the violation any more than a photocopier does, of course.

The emitted code cannot be copyrighted at all, but if it emitted the code in a way which meets the terms of the license, the code would be covered by the original license.

[douginamug@mastodon.xyz]

@Foxboron the presenters have a live demo: https://malus.sh/

[gooba42@mastodon.social]

@Foxboron Except the output can't be copyrighted and so the result is public domain. It can't even be licensed anymore.

[blogdiva@mastodon.social]

YUP

copyright is for humans, not automata ―hard or soft.

so, ironically, the prompts are copyrightable but not the output.

so anything you want to copyright should not be prompted into a corporate regurgitation machine, including so-called grammar checkers.

@thomasjwebb @Foxboron @scy

[gooba42@mastodon.social]

@Foxboron Went ahead and added an issue since you can't apply an MIT license to public domain LLM output.

[zkat@toot.cat]

@Foxboron that's... not copyrightable, therefore not licensable?

[glyph@mastodon.social]

@Foxboron @joshbressers @scy verbatim isn’t the question here, the question is infringement. is the output here substantially derivative of previous versions of chardet to the point that it could be considered infringing? US copyright precedent is a muddled mess and I think this could implicate at least one unresolved circuit split. I don’t know what the answer will be but I know I wouldn’t want to be standing in the blast radius of that decision