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  • lovemakeshare@sunny.gardenL lovemakeshare@sunny.garden

    @jpaskaruk @peteriskrisjanis @freya @quixoticgeek Not the *specific* words I would have used, but yes.

    Did you know he acquired and killed The Learning Company so hard it almost took down Mattel? And maybe took the whole edutainment software industry with it? 'member that? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

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    @lovemakeshare @peteriskrisjanis @freya @quixoticgeek I remember TLC. It was a good thing.

    the Usian prez is an affront to all humanity of course, but he can't elicit the visceral hate that an O'Leary or a Nygard can. The rage is much stronger when they come from where you are.

    Starmer being a notable exception. He's like, if Superman was a Golgothan Shit Demon, Starmer is Clark Kent.

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    • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

      9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.

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      The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.

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      @quixoticgeek Kind of insane!

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      • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

        9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.

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        New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses — Kevin O'Leary's 9 Gigawatt Utah data center campus approved

        The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.

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        @quixoticgeek 🤦‍♂️ I grew up in this county. Almost all of my family lives in this county.

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        • syklemil@snabelen.noS syklemil@snabelen.no

          @quixoticgeek
          Solar & wind are still cheaper than gas though, so still a weird choice
          @CppGuy

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          @syklemil @quixoticgeek @CppGuy Batteries are not, though.

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          • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

            9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.

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            New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses — Kevin O'Leary's 9 Gigawatt Utah data center campus approved

            The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.

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            @quixoticgeek
            That biosphere won't just destroy itself, you know.

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            • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

              9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.

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              New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses — Kevin O'Leary's 9 Gigawatt Utah data center campus approved

              The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.

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              @quixoticgeek Not to mention the water that it will require, in state that is in sever drought and whose great salt lake is evaporating away

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              • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

                9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.

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                New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses — Kevin O'Leary's 9 Gigawatt Utah data center campus approved

                The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.

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                @quixoticgeek Utah brought this on themselves, by stupidly electing the kinds of assholes who'd greenlight something like this. My sympathy is limited.

                Why this location, I don't know. Maybe the land was cheap. But a lax regulatory environment was undoubtedly a factor.

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                • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

                  9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.

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                  New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses — Kevin O'Leary's 9 Gigawatt Utah data center campus approved

                  The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.

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                  @quixoticgeek

                  It's a cinch that new 9 gw AI software data center in Utah won't be used to process your credit card purchases -- except as part of processing your entire personal file.

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                  • dougfir@m.ai6yr.orgD dougfir@m.ai6yr.org

                    @quixoticgeek
                    Did you also note the proposed site is served by one 2 lane road? Back when they were building the natural gas pipeline, the one 6 room motel in the area was pretty busy. All other workers had to drive about 1½ hours from any sort of accommodation.

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                    @quixoticgeek
                    I also note they want to use about 40,000 acres for this project. Google tells me it takes between 4-8,000 acres to produce 1 gigawatt of power. So they are claiming enough property to use solar power for the whole project.
                    They might claim there is no producer able to make that many solar panels. But they have also not explained how they will source that much gas or steam turbine generating capacity.

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                    • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

                      @mycotropic @ehproque

                      That's why the Colorado river never makes it as far as the sea. The whole river gets stolen.

                      https://youtu.be/_0U0YWsuFpU?

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                      @quixoticgeek I'm not a small child. Is there a version of this made for grown-ups?

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                      • wesdym@mastodon.socialW wesdym@mastodon.social

                        @quixoticgeek I'm not a small child. Is there a version of this made for grown-ups?

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                        @wesdym https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_River

                        This one ?

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                        • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

                          @wesdym https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_River

                          This one ?

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                          @quixoticgeek I'm talking about the video you linked. It's childish.

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                          • wesdym@mastodon.socialW wesdym@mastodon.social

                            @quixoticgeek I'm talking about the video you linked. It's childish.

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                            @wesdym it's a half as interesting YouTube video. What else do you expect

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                            • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

                              @wesdym it's a half as interesting YouTube video. What else do you expect

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                              @quixoticgeek You know what? I'm really just kind of done with your stupid childish shit at this point. You make ignorant remarks, link childish sources, make vague and meaningless excuses, and you write like fucking child. Bye.

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                              • iwein@mas.toI iwein@mas.to

                                @bouriquet not much.

                                The heat itself from the datacenter is negligible compared to other sources of heat from the earth's perspective.

                                The CO2 emissions however are the problem, because they help trap heat from the sun.

                                The sun irradiates the earth with ~0.18EW which is around 10.000 times the power that human civilization uses in total. So adding a few GW to that isn't going to move the needle.

                                Except these datacenters run on fossil fuel 🤦‍♂️

                                @quixoticgeek

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                                @iwein @quixoticgeek But the data centers typically use fresh water to cool the systems, rendering it contaminated

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                                • ehproque@neopaquita.esE ehproque@neopaquita.es

                                  @mycotropic @quixoticgeek you could make it policy that it has to rain every day

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                                  @ehproque @quixoticgeek

                                  Policy, top of the social, ecological model! Great choice! I'll send you a draft soon!

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                                  • bouriquet@mastodon.socialB bouriquet@mastodon.social

                                    @iwein @quixoticgeek But the data centers typically use fresh water to cool the systems, rendering it contaminated

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                                    @bouriquet definitely. And definitely datacenter bad. They're just not killing this particular fairy 🙂

                                    @quixoticgeek

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                                    • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

                                      @artemis ok. So natural gas is because for many years the gas network in most places was derived from coal gas, or town gas, whereby coal was heated up to produce coke, which was used in things like steel production, and the gas was then piped locally to homes and businesses. Natural gas as a fuel source is relatively recent. In the UK we're talking later half of the 20th century.

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                                      @quixoticgeek indeed.

                                      @wesdym the point of the term 'new'speak is not that it's new, but that like the language in Orwell's novel, it is desceptive and changes how people think.
                                      Also, no need to be an asshole about it. I saw what you posted @ me.

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                                      • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

                                        9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.

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                                        The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.

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                                        @quixoticgeek

                                        Look at all the roof cooling units. Total waste.

                                        Ground temp is an average of 55 degrees (F) at 6-10 foot depth. The entire design would cost more to build geo-thermal but consume less grid energy for cooling.

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                                        • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

                                          9GW datacentre approved. I'm trying to get my head round the scale of this. The whole of the UK uses about 40GW of electricity. So this one facility is a quarter of the UK grid. In one location. I had to look up box elder county on Wikipedia. "Its territory includes large tracts of barren desert,". Right, so a datacentre that uses the same amount of electricity as a quarter of the UK. In a fucking desert. And that's before we even consider the CO2 emissions. Yikes.

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                                          New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses — Kevin O'Leary's 9 Gigawatt Utah data center campus approved

                                          The 40,000-acre project will run entirely off-grid using natural gas.

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                                          @quixoticgeek That's no moon. That's a battle station.

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